Comments on: The Redemption of the Don http://greatbong.net/2005/08/22/the-redemption-of-the-don/ Wed, 23 May 2012 01:24:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Anonymous http://greatbong.net/2005/08/22/the-redemption-of-the-don/#comment-1002 Anonymous Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:36:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/?p=122#comment-1002 All you gangsta wanna-be's are pussies. And yeah, I'll say it to your greasy faces. Todd Tokarz - Chicago All you gangsta wanna-be’s are pussies. And yeah, I’ll say it to your greasy faces.

Todd Tokarz – Chicago

]]> By: GREATBONG http://greatbong.net/2005/08/22/the-redemption-of-the-don/#comment-1001 GREATBONG Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:32:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/?p=122#comment-1001 @Aishwarya: interesting points...will blog my thoughts on that topic...maybe on a rainy day.... @almost_useless: Maybe you dont but there are impressionable people who do get influenced by the message in a way they often themselves do not perceive. @debanjan: a very very dangerous trend once our society goes from immoral to amoral. @Aishwarya: interesting points…will blog my thoughts on that topic…maybe on a rainy day….

@almost_useless: Maybe you dont but there are impressionable people who do get influenced by the message in a way they often themselves do not perceive.

@debanjan: a very very dangerous trend once our society goes from immoral to amoral.

]]> By: debanjan http://greatbong.net/2005/08/22/the-redemption-of-the-don/#comment-1000 debanjan Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:15:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/?p=122#comment-1000 Nice post mr. Bong as usual. I deeply agree with the message held in your post. It all started with Satya which was advertised as “the violent love story” or “the love story of a liar”, something like that. Actually after seeing Satya people started taking the gangster’s side in their mind. Then it was over glorified dons in Company and Sarkar is really over the top. It finally shows a gangster is actually a hero to be worshipped. This is really disturbing. Nice post mr. Bong as usual. I deeply agree with the message held in your post. It all started with Satya which was advertised as “the violent love story” or “the love story of a liar”, something like that. Actually after seeing Satya people started taking the gangster’s side in their mind. Then it was over glorified dons in Company and Sarkar is really over the top. It finally shows a gangster is actually a hero to be worshipped. This is really disturbing.

]]> By: almost_useless http://greatbong.net/2005/08/22/the-redemption-of-the-don/#comment-999 almost_useless Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:25:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/?p=122#comment-999 i think one movie u can see and probably describe as best is goodfellas, where ray liotta's first major dialouge was "As long as i have known, i have always wanted to be a gangster". it shows how a boy lives his dream, rises in true shakespearean style in the NY underworld to be king, goes to prison along the way, and later on becomes goody goody the movie is spectacular, honest look, and with great dialouges, but never glorifies crime or criminals.. Now to RGV, the sarkar of modern indian cinema, with his insightful views of society and life. He has been doing this for more than a decade or so, with sarkar he takes a look at the parallel justcie system, in modern times, the slight exagerration of this would be the case of pakistan, areas in n around the north western frontier, where tribal laws prevail and justice is often dished out on the streets. but whilst it may b socailly trendy n pakistan, dont think its the same for india. RGV has howver brilliantly handled the commections of movie makers, politics, underworld and dhrma gurus and the business men. i dont see movies for the social messages, cos in bollywood there r none, but it seems like the social message is spreading with the shitloads of movies on extra maritals i think one movie u can see and probably describe as best is goodfellas, where ray liotta’s first major dialouge was
“As long as i have known, i have always wanted to be a gangster”.

it shows how a boy lives his dream, rises in true shakespearean style in the NY underworld to be king, goes to prison along the way, and later on becomes goody goody

the movie is spectacular, honest look, and with great dialouges, but never glorifies crime or criminals..

Now to RGV, the sarkar of modern indian cinema, with his insightful views of society and life. He has been doing this for more than a decade or so, with sarkar he takes a look at the parallel justcie system, in modern times, the slight exagerration of this would be the case of pakistan, areas in n around the north western frontier, where tribal laws prevail and justice is often dished out on the streets.

but whilst it may b socailly trendy n pakistan, dont think its the same for india.

RGV has howver brilliantly handled the commections of movie makers, politics, underworld and dhrma gurus and the business men. i dont see movies for the social messages, cos in bollywood there r none, but it seems like the social message is spreading with the shitloads of movies on extra maritals

]]> By: Aishwarya http://greatbong.net/2005/08/22/the-redemption-of-the-don/#comment-998 Aishwarya Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:17:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/?p=122#comment-998 It might be really interesting to look at the social context in which these movies were produced. Were the seventies/eighties really more idealistic? Was the public's perception of the law as disillusioned as it is today? Is the deteriorating moral standard a result of Westernisation? (*snicker*) It might be really interesting to look at the social context in which these movies were produced. Were the seventies/eighties really more idealistic? Was the public’s perception of the law as disillusioned as it is today? Is the deteriorating moral standard a result of Westernisation? (*snicker*)

]]> By: GREATBONG http://greatbong.net/2005/08/22/the-redemption-of-the-don/#comment-997 GREATBONG Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:16:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/?p=122#comment-997 @Aishwarya, Yes you got that right...RGV is under no obligation to make socially revelant movies---as you pointed out, my objection is to the repeatedly worsening messages that his successive movies keep throwing out. @Sunil...oh yes Ajit...he was the coolest one. @Anon...interesting perspective. @Anirudh...thanks @Pratyush...Carlito's Way is very filmi....but good entertainment. @Aishwarya,

Yes you got that right…RGV is under no obligation to make socially revelant movies—as you pointed out, my objection is to the repeatedly worsening messages that his successive movies keep throwing out.

@Sunil…oh yes Ajit…he was the coolest one.

@Anon…interesting perspective.
@Anirudh…thanks
@Pratyush…Carlito’s Way is very filmi….but good entertainment.

]]> By: Aishwarya http://greatbong.net/2005/08/22/the-redemption-of-the-don/#comment-996 Aishwarya Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:25:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/?p=122#comment-996 Agreed - the message is disturbing. To clarify, though, you're not saying that it's RGV's *duty* in any way to make "socially responsible" films, just that you disapprove of the social message, right? Unfortunately, if you look at how real dons are treated in society right now (even the ones who <I>did</I> harm innocent men...) you have to wonder about cinema and how accurately it reflects its times. Agreed – the message is disturbing.

To clarify, though, you’re not saying that it’s RGV’s *duty* in any way to make “socially responsible” films, just that you disapprove of the social message, right?

Unfortunately, if you look at how real dons are treated in society right now (even the ones who did harm innocent men…) you have to wonder about cinema and how accurately it reflects its times.

]]> By: Jayesh http://greatbong.net/2005/08/22/the-redemption-of-the-don/#comment-995 Jayesh Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:51:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/?p=122#comment-995 I completely agree with you. Joining the mafia is now a good career choice and it is run better than most corporates. In fact they might come to IIMA next year for campus. Look at my reviews on D and Sarcore. D defined gangster as a profession. I completely agree with you. Joining the mafia is now a good career choice and it is run better than most corporates. In fact they might come to IIMA next year for campus.

Look at my reviews on D and Sarcore. D defined gangster as a profession.

]]> By: Sunil Laxman http://greatbong.net/2005/08/22/the-redemption-of-the-don/#comment-994 Sunil Laxman Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:20:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/?p=122#comment-994 <I>The fact that RGV is a good filmmaker is what makes him most dangerous---his characters are believable and empathy-worthy.</I> True.....RGV is a good filmmaker, but where do we leave our own sense of judgement after watching it? A movie's just a movie......we can't let it alter our sense of reality can we? Great points brought out in your post Arnab...... All I ever wanted to do was say... "Saara sheher mujhe loin ke naam se jaanta hain..." The fact that RGV is a good filmmaker is what makes him most dangerous—his characters are believable and empathy-worthy.

True…..RGV is a good filmmaker, but where do we leave our own sense of judgement after watching it? A movie’s just a movie……we can’t let it alter our sense of reality can we?

Great points brought out in your post Arnab……

All I ever wanted to do was say…

“Saara sheher mujhe loin ke naam se jaanta hain…”

]]> By: Pratyush http://greatbong.net/2005/08/22/the-redemption-of-the-don/#comment-993 Pratyush Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:38:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/?p=122#comment-993 Being a hardcore fan of mafia/mob movies here are some recommendations you will thank me for: Once Upon a Time in America Goodfellas Heat Carlito's Way Scarface Among the Indian mafia movies, I did not quite enjoy Sarkar but I thoroughly enjoyed D and Company. Satya was good but not as intense as I like my mafia movies to be ;) Being a hardcore fan of mafia/mob movies here are some recommendations you will thank me for:

Once Upon a Time in America
Goodfellas
Heat
Carlito’s Way
Scarface

Among the Indian mafia movies, I did not quite enjoy Sarkar but I thoroughly enjoyed D and Company. Satya was good but not as intense as I like my mafia movies to be ;)

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