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]]> By: Mithun Impossible 3 at Random Thoughts of a Demented Mind http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-7154 Mithun Impossible 3 at Random Thoughts of a Demented Mind Sun, 14 May 2006 20:28:45 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-7154 [...] A must-see for all Prabhuji fans if only to see how the West is internalizing (in the words of Kaavya Vishwanathan) our best traditions. [...] [...] A must-see for all Prabhuji fans if only to see how the West is internalizing (in the words of Kaavya Vishwanathan) our best traditions. [...]

]]> By: Erythrocyte http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-7138 Erythrocyte Sun, 14 May 2006 11:31:55 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-7138 This whole Kaavya thing really really pisses me off. Porquoi? Lemme tell you. Kaavya's level of pinching, while inexcusable in context, is no greater than what I would expect of a creative writing student who's OD'd on romance novels like the Princess Diaries, Can You Keep a Secret and the McCafferty books (all implicated in her borrowings). She reached Little Brown not through her own merits but through a book packager called (har har HAR!) Alloy Entertainment. Who (surprise surprise!) had also worked on McCafferty's books: in fact the same editor was fulsomely thanked in both cases (since left company: yeah right). How did KV contact book packager? because she went to a career manager to get her into harvard, which apparently she couldn't do under her own steam and needed 20K US of tuition to pull off (how dumb is that?) Career manager took one look at her Harvard entrance application essay and shipped it to Alloy. Now, the level of plag. in her book would be unremarkable in standard Mills & Boon type romance novels which are in any case written to a template often by consortia, or in the case of run of the mill potboiler chick lit which barely bobs up in the bestseller lists before the Next Big Thing displaces it. But Alloy upped the ante with the 500K advance which got everyone on KV's case. and voila! out popped the borrowings. Amazing what a difference oodles of cash make to the moral standing of a crime. And BTW, i do think what she did was wrong. I do think it'll make life more difficult for serious writers. but i don't think it was entirely her fault. How many kids at seventeen (esp wealthy children of indulgent parents) can deal with this kind of c**p? This whole Kaavya thing really really pisses me off. Porquoi? Lemme tell you. Kaavya’s level of pinching, while inexcusable in context, is no greater than what I would expect of a creative writing student who’s OD’d on romance novels like the Princess Diaries, Can You Keep a Secret and the McCafferty books (all implicated in her borrowings). She reached Little Brown not through her own merits but through a book packager called (har har HAR!) Alloy Entertainment. Who (surprise surprise!) had also worked on McCafferty’s books: in fact the same editor was fulsomely thanked in both cases (since left company: yeah right). How did KV contact book packager? because she went to a career manager to get her into harvard, which apparently she couldn’t do under her own steam and needed 20K US of tuition to pull off (how dumb is that?) Career manager took one look at her Harvard entrance application essay and shipped it to Alloy. Now, the level of plag. in her book would be unremarkable in standard Mills & Boon type romance novels which are in any case written to a template often by consortia, or in the case of run of the mill potboiler chick lit which barely bobs up in the bestseller lists before the Next Big Thing displaces it. But Alloy upped the ante with the 500K advance which got everyone on KV’s case. and voila! out popped the borrowings. Amazing what a difference oodles of cash make to the moral standing of a crime.
And BTW, i do think what she did was wrong. I do think it’ll make life more difficult for serious writers. but i don’t think it was entirely her fault. How many kids at seventeen (esp wealthy children of indulgent parents) can deal with this kind of c**p?

]]> By: Kosh http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6753 Kosh Mon, 08 May 2006 05:37:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6753 This one is for you: http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/contest/steal_this_book_and_that_book_and_that_book.php#fn1 Do attempt it! It's enormous fun! Have been trying for the past week and you wouldnt believe how difficult it is to form a logical short story from diff sources of fiction! Apparently, plagiarism calls for more creativity than I thought!! :D :D This one is for you:
http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/contest/steal_this_book_and_that_book_and_that_book.php#fn1

Do attempt it! It’s enormous fun! Have been trying for the past week and you wouldnt believe how difficult it is to form a logical short story from diff sources of fiction! Apparently, plagiarism calls for more creativity than I thought!! :D :D

]]> By: .w.h.i.m. http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6385 .w.h.i.m. Mon, 01 May 2006 03:52:32 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6385 Dada... I couldn't help but remember this show by George Carlin called Euphemisms. He talks about how euphamisms have evolved over time, and you may find your words very similar to his ... I've managed to find the audio. If you haven't heard it, check it out at http://www.b1ur.com/mp3/funny/Comedy/george carlin - euphemism.mp3 Dada… I couldn’t help but remember this show by George Carlin called Euphemisms. He talks about how euphamisms have evolved over time, and you may find your words very similar to his …

I’ve managed to find the audio. If you haven’t heard it, check it out at http://www.b1ur.com/mp3/funny/Comedy/george carlin – euphemism.mp3

]]> By: Abhijit http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6377 Abhijit Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:09:15 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6377 "Good artists copy. Great artists steal..oops..internalize" Will they sue me for internalizing Picasso now..:) “Good artists copy. Great artists steal..oops..internalize”
Will they sue me for internalizing Picasso now..:)

]]> By: Sue http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6288 Sue Sat, 29 Apr 2006 05:46:34 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6288 I take your point, sometimes it helps to use, well, euphemisms. But they are overused and confuse the issue. A couple of generations later, folks will require a special dictionary just to decipher what we meant when we said the convoluted things we did. Since the emphasis these days is on clearer and cleaner communication, you can understand why I find this whole thing so ironic. To use your own example, I'm fine with 'challenged' instead of handicapped. But when you use 'specially abled', you may be implying that they can do things 'regular' people can't. Sometimes they can, such as blind folks having sharper hearing etc. but it's not always so. That's what I mean by overuse. I've worked with folks with disabilities and by and large they don't much care what they are called so long as they are treated right. And most feel terms such as 'specially abled' are patronising. You see, somewhere we must draw a firm line. I take your point, sometimes it helps to use, well, euphemisms. But they are overused and confuse the issue. A couple of generations later, folks will require a special dictionary just to decipher what we meant when we said the convoluted things we did. Since the emphasis these days is on clearer and cleaner communication, you can understand why I find this whole thing so ironic.

To use your own example, I’m fine with ‘challenged’ instead of handicapped. But when you use ‘specially abled’, you may be implying that they can do things ‘regular’ people can’t. Sometimes they can, such as blind folks having sharper hearing etc. but it’s not always so. That’s what I mean by overuse. I’ve worked with folks with disabilities and by and large they don’t much care what they are called so long as they are treated right. And most feel terms such as ‘specially abled’ are patronising.

You see, somewhere we must draw a firm line.

]]> By: yourfan2 http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6280 yourfan2 Sat, 29 Apr 2006 02:29:03 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6280 @Suyog- I agree with you. When you say Chetana's blog, I think you refer to <a href="http://pehlu.blogspot.com/2005/12/plagiarism-double-standards-bloggers.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> post. Completely agree with his views. @Suyog- I agree with you. When you say Chetana’s blog, I think you refer to this post. Completely agree with his views.

]]> By: Vikas http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6276 Vikas Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:26:20 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6276 Great post Arnab! In this case, Kaavya can be both right and wrong, rather, wrong and not wrong! Like u mentioned, if u consider the cases of hundreds of Filmmakers who copy (I remember your other article which was similar, zinda buddha beta! :)), she is not at all wrong compared to them. On the other hand, while all these happen in India, in kaavya's case, It has happened in the US, where plagiarism laws are pretty strict, maybe unlucky may be the right word to describe her situation. What say? Speaking of plagiarism, the 1st thing that came to my mind was Karan Razdan <a href="http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/mar282004/ent1.asp" rel="nofollow">complaining</a> about Mahesh Bhatt of stealing his story, "Hawas", when he himself had taken the story from "Unfaithful"!! what level of internalization is this?? Great post Arnab!

In this case, Kaavya can be both right and wrong, rather, wrong and not wrong! Like u mentioned, if u consider the cases of hundreds of Filmmakers who copy (I remember your other article which was similar, zinda buddha beta! :) ), she is not at all wrong compared to them. On the other hand, while all these happen in India, in kaavya’s case, It has happened in the US, where plagiarism laws are pretty strict, maybe unlucky may be the right word to describe her situation. What say?

Speaking of plagiarism, the 1st thing that came to my mind was Karan Razdan complaining about Mahesh Bhatt of stealing his story, “Hawas”, when he himself had taken the story from “Unfaithful”!! what level of internalization is this??

]]> By: Shrik http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6272 Shrik Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:12:13 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2006/04/26/control-c/#comment-6272 Shreemoyee: I'm not saying the retribution should be different. All I'm saying is that the relative importance of the misdemeanour is increased in the case of a public figure, precisely because they're that. Hence the increased eyeballs. <b>These</b> people need to be politically correct. When everything one says or does is splashed prominently across the papers, one needs to take extra care to ensure that one says/does the 'correct' thing. Bouquets and brickbats on an equal scale. This female gets <b>BUCKETLOADS</b> of hype for something she's done supposedly well, so if it turns out she hasn't really done it, well, she deserves to eat the same <b>BUCKETLOADS</b> of crow. If your Premchand-copying auntyji had gotten a phat advance from the publisher, and Karan Johar had paid her for the rights to make a movie, and <b>then</b> this writer gets busted, then yeah - shit, meet fan. But if all she ever does is submit this 'internalized' work to J. Arbit Hindi Magazine, then.. umm..it's more like cat-poop, meet swaying banana leaf. If that. p.s: I'm not saying Karan Johar will ever make a Premchand-type movie. Shreemoyee:

I’m not saying the retribution should be different. All I’m saying is that the relative importance of the misdemeanour is increased in the case of a public figure, precisely because they’re that. Hence the increased eyeballs.

These people need to be politically correct. When everything one says or does is splashed prominently across the papers, one needs to take extra care to ensure that one says/does the ‘correct’ thing.

Bouquets and brickbats on an equal scale.

This female gets BUCKETLOADS of hype for something she’s done supposedly well, so if it turns out she hasn’t really done it, well, she deserves to eat the same BUCKETLOADS of crow.

If your Premchand-copying auntyji had gotten a phat advance from the publisher, and Karan Johar had paid her for the rights to make a movie, and then this writer gets busted, then yeah – shit, meet fan. But if all she ever does is submit this ‘internalized’ work to J. Arbit Hindi Magazine, then.. umm..it’s more like cat-poop, meet swaying banana leaf. If that.

p.s: I’m not saying Karan Johar will ever make a Premchand-type movie.

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