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		<title>By: low cost isp</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/20/censorship-done-wrong/#comment-271113</link>
		<dc:creator>low cost isp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;low cost isp...&lt;/strong&gt;

Hi. Very nice blog. I\&#039;ve been reading your other entries all day long..lol....</description>
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<p>Hi. Very nice blog. I\&#8217;ve been reading your other entries all day long..lol&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: electronic display board</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/20/censorship-done-wrong/#comment-270444</link>
		<dc:creator>electronic display board</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;electronic display board...&lt;/strong&gt;

Hi. Thanks for the good read....</description>
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<p>Hi. Thanks for the good read&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Live Like a Flame &#187; Putting it all in perspective</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/20/censorship-done-wrong/#comment-14871</link>
		<dc:creator>Live Like a Flame &#187; Putting it all in perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] IÂ am a long time lurker on Greatbongâ€™s site, and I usually find that he says what I think most succintly, sanelyÂ and reasonably. He hasnâ€™t disappointed me this time either.People are asking bloggers to show personal and professional inconvenience as a result of the ban: I run a course called Writing in Practice at JU which has a course blog: http://writinginpractice.blogspot.com/ As a result of this ban people couldnâ€™t see their course notices and I (briefly) couldnâ€™t post any on the blog. No commercial loss, but certainly psychological trauma and considerable inconvenience. Some people may also have missed invites to the blog as well. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] IÂ am a long time lurker on Greatbongâ€™s site, and I usually find that he says what I think most succintly, sanelyÂ and reasonably. He hasnâ€™t disappointed me this time either.People are asking bloggers to show personal and professional inconvenience as a result of the ban: I run a course called Writing in Practice at JU which has a course blog: <a href="http://writinginpractice.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://writinginpractice.blogspot.com/</a> As a result of this ban people couldnâ€™t see their course notices and I (briefly) couldnâ€™t post any on the blog. No commercial loss, but certainly psychological trauma and considerable inconvenience. Some people may also have missed invites to the blog as well. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/20/censorship-done-wrong/#comment-14729</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things left to itself, the current government is behaving a bit like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R63iIzVHQDA&amp;search=rowan atkinson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things left to itself, the current government is behaving a bit like this:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R63iIzVHQDA&#038;search=rowan" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R63iIzVHQDA&#038;search=rowan</a> atkinson</p>
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		<title>By: Unknown Indian</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/20/censorship-done-wrong/#comment-14662</link>
		<dc:creator>Unknown Indian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post. Very clearly, San Sonia and her cohorts are out to turn India into a communofascst state. BTW, don&#039;t know if you have been following the action on the media bill - which gives any joker govt. oficial the right to censor TV channels. For all you know, this act of censorship og insignificant blogs is a curtain raiser - aimed at sending a message to MSM to toe the line and sing the praises of San Sonia and her leftist troup ... or face the music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post. Very clearly, San Sonia and her cohorts are out to turn India into a communofascst state. BTW, don&#8217;t know if you have been following the action on the media bill &#8211; which gives any joker govt. oficial the right to censor TV channels. For all you know, this act of censorship og insignificant blogs is a curtain raiser &#8211; aimed at sending a message to MSM to toe the line and sing the praises of San Sonia and her leftist troup &#8230; or face the music.</p>
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		<title>By: twisted dna</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/20/censorship-done-wrong/#comment-14623</link>
		<dc:creator>twisted dna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I copletely agree that it is a case of censorship done wrong.  I was laughing my guts out when I started visiting the list of banned sites.  As I said on my blog:
&quot;Indian government banning a few websites on the grounds of bad graphics, annoying animated GIFs and unbalanced HTML tags. (After visiting the sites I couldn&#039;t think of any other reason).&quot;  I really didn&#039;t understand the rationale.

Good post... hope you won&#039;t be next on the list :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I copletely agree that it is a case of censorship done wrong.  I was laughing my guts out when I started visiting the list of banned sites.  As I said on my blog:<br />
&#8220;Indian government banning a few websites on the grounds of bad graphics, annoying animated GIFs and unbalanced HTML tags. (After visiting the sites I couldn&#8217;t think of any other reason).&#8221;  I really didn&#8217;t understand the rationale.</p>
<p>Good post&#8230; hope you won&#8217;t be next on the list <img src='http://greatbong.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Shan</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/20/censorship-done-wrong/#comment-14573</link>
		<dc:creator>Shan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Arnab and others: 

I tend to think that asking us to move on is triviliasing the issue. The issue is not blogs. Frankly, blogs are as yet not very relevant to the country in any significant way. The issue is bigger - it is the freedom of expression and the government&#039;s right to stifle what it does not like. 

In countries with wimpy, easily-swayed, reacitonary, and majorly-illiterate populations like India, ever government does that, albeit in different forms. Some do it by changing textbooks and &quot;saffronizing&quot; them. Other &quot;detoxify&quot; the same. Some hound media houses till they shut down (Tehelka). Others ban blogs. (Incidentally, whoever said the ban is lifted is incorrect. I can&#039;t access a single blogspot site still.)

The latest is an attempt to censot ALL &#039;A&#039; rated movies on TV. All these movies will be snipped by the TV censor board and converted to &#039;U&#039; ratings before being shown on TV. Get it? The censor board will actually edit for content. There will be no late night relaxations etc.

This ideological stifling is dangerous and we have to be concerned. So I&#039;m sorry but it&#039;s not possible or desirable that we just &quot;move on&quot; because what the heck, a few blogs have been blocked!

@Soubhagya Dash:
You talk bloody too much. That&#039;s the basic problem. Not your arguments, but the endless mind-numbingly boring repetition, and the unquenchable desire to get a last word in...uff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Arnab and others: </p>
<p>I tend to think that asking us to move on is triviliasing the issue. The issue is not blogs. Frankly, blogs are as yet not very relevant to the country in any significant way. The issue is bigger &#8211; it is the freedom of expression and the government&#8217;s right to stifle what it does not like. </p>
<p>In countries with wimpy, easily-swayed, reacitonary, and majorly-illiterate populations like India, ever government does that, albeit in different forms. Some do it by changing textbooks and &#8220;saffronizing&#8221; them. Other &#8220;detoxify&#8221; the same. Some hound media houses till they shut down (Tehelka). Others ban blogs. (Incidentally, whoever said the ban is lifted is incorrect. I can&#8217;t access a single blogspot site still.)</p>
<p>The latest is an attempt to censot ALL &#8216;A&#8217; rated movies on TV. All these movies will be snipped by the TV censor board and converted to &#8216;U&#8217; ratings before being shown on TV. Get it? The censor board will actually edit for content. There will be no late night relaxations etc.</p>
<p>This ideological stifling is dangerous and we have to be concerned. So I&#8217;m sorry but it&#8217;s not possible or desirable that we just &#8220;move on&#8221; because what the heck, a few blogs have been blocked!</p>
<p>@Soubhagya Dash:<br />
You talk bloody too much. That&#8217;s the basic problem. Not your arguments, but the endless mind-numbingly boring repetition, and the unquenchable desire to get a last word in&#8230;uff</p>
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		<title>By: swati</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/20/censorship-done-wrong/#comment-14485</link>
		<dc:creator>swati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ sayon
There is a temple in China which venerates an honest efficient administrator of some bygone age.(He was responsible for some vast dam cum irrigation project and did not line his pockets)

I mean, look you, if imperial china with one of the most organised bureaucracy could only produce ONE such person in about 3000 odd years, who are we to complain?

Anyway, even the cultural revolution and the excesses of the gang of four left that temple untouched. 

Sapienti sat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ sayon<br />
There is a temple in China which venerates an honest efficient administrator of some bygone age.(He was responsible for some vast dam cum irrigation project and did not line his pockets)</p>
<p>I mean, look you, if imperial china with one of the most organised bureaucracy could only produce ONE such person in about 3000 odd years, who are we to complain?</p>
<p>Anyway, even the cultural revolution and the excesses of the gang of four left that temple untouched. </p>
<p>Sapienti sat!</p>
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		<title>By: Aniket</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/20/censorship-done-wrong/#comment-14482</link>
		<dc:creator>Aniket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arnab, I hope you&#039;ll write something on this: http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1797790.cms and this http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1797434.cms

Waiting.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arnab, I hope you&#8217;ll write something on this: <a href="http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1797790.cms" rel="nofollow">http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1797790.cms</a> and this <a href="http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1797434.cms" rel="nofollow">http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1797434.cms</a></p>
<p>Waiting&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Sayon</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/20/censorship-done-wrong/#comment-14466</link>
		<dc:creator>Sayon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@swati:
&#039;We get the rulers we deserve&#039;

Its quite possible that there is a political equivalent of Gresham&#039;s law - &quot;Bad politicians drive out the good&quot;

the trouble with governance is that it takes a legion of good leaders and administrators to make it run well, and with the inefficiency in the system goes up exponentially with the complexity, requiring more honest and efficient people to run it.

Even a handful of good IAS/ IES/ IFS officers or ministers cannot undo the bad done by the handful of bad ones in an environment full of mediocre people. Mediocrity makes it impossible to weed out the bad ones.

I remember witnessing a case when I saw a state party chief pressurising a junior IAS officer to sanction funds for a non-existant project. The best the IAS officer, who is one of the clean, efficient officers in the system, could do was to say, &#039;I will not sanction the money - talk to my Joint Secretary.&#039;

I don&#039;t know what happenned later - but if the JS had been corruptible, the money would have been sanctioned, all set to be siphoned off into party pockets, despite the honest IAS officer in charge of the sanctioning.

This money was for the upliftment of poor rural  people in the North-East. If the money is siphoned off, and much of it is, the people who it is for will be neglected to the point that they will feel alienated from the state - and with a bit of rabble-rousing, can turn into tomorrow&#039;s terrorist. For illustration, look at Punjab, Kashmir, NE states, Maoists etc. 

Why am i discussing this in this forum. Because i firmly believe that the type of propoganda the government is trying to ban will not work unless the people targeted are alienated from the state in the first place. 

That will happen, despite many many good officers - it will happen as long as there is a preponderance of mediocre/ inefficient administrators whose inefficiency hide the bad apples.

The GOI, in its most bumbling way seeks to block the propaganda, and not reverse the alienation. Do we have a hope that it will be more effective than it has been before?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@swati:<br />
&#8216;We get the rulers we deserve&#8217;</p>
<p>Its quite possible that there is a political equivalent of Gresham&#8217;s law &#8211; &#8220;Bad politicians drive out the good&#8221;</p>
<p>the trouble with governance is that it takes a legion of good leaders and administrators to make it run well, and with the inefficiency in the system goes up exponentially with the complexity, requiring more honest and efficient people to run it.</p>
<p>Even a handful of good IAS/ IES/ IFS officers or ministers cannot undo the bad done by the handful of bad ones in an environment full of mediocre people. Mediocrity makes it impossible to weed out the bad ones.</p>
<p>I remember witnessing a case when I saw a state party chief pressurising a junior IAS officer to sanction funds for a non-existant project. The best the IAS officer, who is one of the clean, efficient officers in the system, could do was to say, &#8216;I will not sanction the money &#8211; talk to my Joint Secretary.&#8217;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what happenned later &#8211; but if the JS had been corruptible, the money would have been sanctioned, all set to be siphoned off into party pockets, despite the honest IAS officer in charge of the sanctioning.</p>
<p>This money was for the upliftment of poor rural  people in the North-East. If the money is siphoned off, and much of it is, the people who it is for will be neglected to the point that they will feel alienated from the state &#8211; and with a bit of rabble-rousing, can turn into tomorrow&#8217;s terrorist. For illustration, look at Punjab, Kashmir, NE states, Maoists etc. </p>
<p>Why am i discussing this in this forum. Because i firmly believe that the type of propoganda the government is trying to ban will not work unless the people targeted are alienated from the state in the first place. </p>
<p>That will happen, despite many many good officers &#8211; it will happen as long as there is a preponderance of mediocre/ inefficient administrators whose inefficiency hide the bad apples.</p>
<p>The GOI, in its most bumbling way seeks to block the propaganda, and not reverse the alienation. Do we have a hope that it will be more effective than it has been before?</p>
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