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		<title>By: @mit</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/27/conflict-resolution-some-new-directions/#comment-677373</link>
		<dc:creator>@mit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish any of this would work against Terrorism. But a brilliant post (looking at the world we stay in - the topic may never be outdated)</description>
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		<title>By: Sujai</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/27/conflict-resolution-some-new-directions/#comment-415832</link>
		<dc:creator>Sujai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) Hilarious</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://greatbong.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Hilarious</p>
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		<title>By: Shubho</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/27/conflict-resolution-some-new-directions/#comment-15745</link>
		<dc:creator>Shubho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Raj:
&quot;It is very noble of liberal minded Indians to show outrage at the death of some people in the middle east. Wish they felt the same way towards the 40 tribals in Chattisgarh who were massacred recently by leftist extremists or naxalites as a punishment for collaborating with the State against the â€˜Peopleâ€™s Movementâ€™. &quot;

What makes you think they don&#039;t? Do you think you have a monopoly on &#039;feeling&#039; for Indians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Raj:<br />
&#8220;It is very noble of liberal minded Indians to show outrage at the death of some people in the middle east. Wish they felt the same way towards the 40 tribals in Chattisgarh who were massacred recently by leftist extremists or naxalites as a punishment for collaborating with the State against the â€˜Peopleâ€™s Movementâ€™. &#8221;</p>
<p>What makes you think they don&#8217;t? Do you think you have a monopoly on &#8216;feeling&#8217; for Indians?</p>
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		<title>By: rajeev</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/27/conflict-resolution-some-new-directions/#comment-15728</link>
		<dc:creator>rajeev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raj,
It is fashionable to talk about international issues. If you look at the people in Palestine or Lebanon affected by the so called Israeli atrocities shown on the news they are pretty well off. Most of them can be found wearing designer stuff. COming back to India, how many people here can afford to live like the so called oppressed Palestinians? Very few. ANd still we have five star activists shedding tears on issues that affect others. I am sure most of these activists would be employing lowly paid maids in their homes to clean, cook and look after their children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raj,<br />
It is fashionable to talk about international issues. If you look at the people in Palestine or Lebanon affected by the so called Israeli atrocities shown on the news they are pretty well off. Most of them can be found wearing designer stuff. COming back to India, how many people here can afford to live like the so called oppressed Palestinians? Very few. ANd still we have five star activists shedding tears on issues that affect others. I am sure most of these activists would be employing lowly paid maids in their homes to clean, cook and look after their children.</p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/27/conflict-resolution-some-new-directions/#comment-15710</link>
		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very noble of liberal minded Indians to show outrage at the death of some people in the middle east. Wish they felt the same way towards the 40 tribals in Chattisgarh who were massacred recently by leftist extremists or naxalites as a punishment for collaborating with the State against the &#039;People&#039;s Movement&#039;. 

Where do &#039;Concerned Citizens&#039; and &#039;Human Rights Activists&#039; disappear when innocent tribals are killed by the &#039;revolutionaries&#039;, or when hindu laborers are killed by &#039;freedom fighters in Kashmir&#039; ? Why are they so silent when innocents in India are killed by naxalites or their freedom fighters ? Too busy condemning Israel to notice I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very noble of liberal minded Indians to show outrage at the death of some people in the middle east. Wish they felt the same way towards the 40 tribals in Chattisgarh who were massacred recently by leftist extremists or naxalites as a punishment for collaborating with the State against the &#8216;People&#8217;s Movement&#8217;. </p>
<p>Where do &#8216;Concerned Citizens&#8217; and &#8216;Human Rights Activists&#8217; disappear when innocent tribals are killed by the &#8216;revolutionaries&#8217;, or when hindu laborers are killed by &#8216;freedom fighters in Kashmir&#8217; ? Why are they so silent when innocents in India are killed by naxalites or their freedom fighters ? Too busy condemning Israel to notice I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: dEbOLiN</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/27/conflict-resolution-some-new-directions/#comment-15689</link>
		<dc:creator>dEbOLiN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 06:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Anirban :
Wonderful !!! :)</description>
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Wonderful !!! <img src='http://greatbong.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Shubho</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/27/conflict-resolution-some-new-directions/#comment-15657</link>
		<dc:creator>Shubho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rajeev,

I completely understand where you are coming from, and the sentiments behind your arguments. 

In Rediff today, there is a very objective article by TVR Shenoy where he wonders whether Nepal can turn into a Lebanon for us, and he tries to justify the Israeli incursion into Lebanon. And he is right, as you are, in a number of ways.

What I find difficult to do is to applaud Israel for its policies, which, over decades, have brought nothing but misery and devastation to a large chunk of the human population in that part of the world. Arab Muslims and Arab Jews lived side by side for centuries, until the advent of Zionism. This conflict was not inherently religious in nature. Radical Islam and radical Zionism are rallying calls for the two sides. 
And we in India, increasingly faced with the threat of radical Islam, automatically rush to bundle everything under one simple heading. This is a very American view of the world. 
The fact that the ideology of Hezbollah/Hamas et all is very different, and even at loggerheards, from those of Osama&#039;s children in Pakistan, the LeT and friends, is well known. But it&#039;s easier to call everyone terrorists than to go into such details. 
Explaining this to Americans/Israelis with their &#039;kill em all, let god sort them out&#039; attitude is like to talking to a wall. Unfortunately, explaining it to most Indians has become just as difficult...
And after a while, most of us just throw up our hands and say...who cares, let the children die. It&#039;s not our war after all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rajeev,</p>
<p>I completely understand where you are coming from, and the sentiments behind your arguments. </p>
<p>In Rediff today, there is a very objective article by TVR Shenoy where he wonders whether Nepal can turn into a Lebanon for us, and he tries to justify the Israeli incursion into Lebanon. And he is right, as you are, in a number of ways.</p>
<p>What I find difficult to do is to applaud Israel for its policies, which, over decades, have brought nothing but misery and devastation to a large chunk of the human population in that part of the world. Arab Muslims and Arab Jews lived side by side for centuries, until the advent of Zionism. This conflict was not inherently religious in nature. Radical Islam and radical Zionism are rallying calls for the two sides.<br />
And we in India, increasingly faced with the threat of radical Islam, automatically rush to bundle everything under one simple heading. This is a very American view of the world.<br />
The fact that the ideology of Hezbollah/Hamas et all is very different, and even at loggerheards, from those of Osama&#8217;s children in Pakistan, the LeT and friends, is well known. But it&#8217;s easier to call everyone terrorists than to go into such details.<br />
Explaining this to Americans/Israelis with their &#8216;kill em all, let god sort them out&#8217; attitude is like to talking to a wall. Unfortunately, explaining it to most Indians has become just as difficult&#8230;<br />
And after a while, most of us just throw up our hands and say&#8230;who cares, let the children die. It&#8217;s not our war after all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rajeev</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/27/conflict-resolution-some-new-directions/#comment-15656</link>
		<dc:creator>rajeev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shubho,
Here is one link on Zia ul Haq and Jordan - 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan#Events_of_September.2C_1970

BTW Mushrraf has done something similar within Pakistan.  He supprssed a Shia uprising.

There is peace between Israel and Jordan/Egypt because of USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shubho,<br />
Here is one link on Zia ul Haq and Jordan &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan#Events_of_September.2C_1970" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan#Events_of_September.2C_1970</a></p>
<p>BTW Mushrraf has done something similar within Pakistan.  He supprssed a Shia uprising.</p>
<p>There is peace between Israel and Jordan/Egypt because of USA.</p>
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		<title>By: Shubho</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/27/conflict-resolution-some-new-directions/#comment-15653</link>
		<dc:creator>Shubho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missed the &#039;out of the box&#039; thing...my mistake...

Yep, all artificial states, as you mentioned. 
However there is a difference between drawing a land in the sand and separating people living there into two nations, and &#039;carving out&#039; a nation where there was none, pushing the indigenous people out, and settling white europeans there. That&#039;s about the best distinction I can make, and if you still can&#039;t see the difference, well...

Zia-ul-haq? In Jordan? Killing Palestinians? Sorry, not aware of that. Maybe you could enlighten me offline...
Not really sure what that has to do with this issue though.

Egypt and Israel: There is a peace treaty between the two nations, signed in 1979. According to the treaty Egypt regained control over the Sinai Peninsula, which Israel had seized in the six-day war in 1967.
Israel does not hold Egyptian prisoners in its jails.
I don&#039;t see any reason why Egyptian &#039;militants&#039; (do you mean the Muslim Brotherhood?) should lob rockets into Israel, unless they want to empathize with the fate of the Palestinians.
In contrast, Israel holds many Lebanese prisoners (some of them well known extremists such as Samir Kuntar, others whom it labels as terrorists). Before this war started there have been documented raids by Israeli forces into Southern Lebanon to pick up &#039;suspects&#039;. I don&#039;t see why Hezbollah can&#039;t do the same. After all, one illegal act is as good as the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missed the &#8216;out of the box&#8217; thing&#8230;my mistake&#8230;</p>
<p>Yep, all artificial states, as you mentioned.<br />
However there is a difference between drawing a land in the sand and separating people living there into two nations, and &#8216;carving out&#8217; a nation where there was none, pushing the indigenous people out, and settling white europeans there. That&#8217;s about the best distinction I can make, and if you still can&#8217;t see the difference, well&#8230;</p>
<p>Zia-ul-haq? In Jordan? Killing Palestinians? Sorry, not aware of that. Maybe you could enlighten me offline&#8230;<br />
Not really sure what that has to do with this issue though.</p>
<p>Egypt and Israel: There is a peace treaty between the two nations, signed in 1979. According to the treaty Egypt regained control over the Sinai Peninsula, which Israel had seized in the six-day war in 1967.<br />
Israel does not hold Egyptian prisoners in its jails.<br />
I don&#8217;t see any reason why Egyptian &#8216;militants&#8217; (do you mean the Muslim Brotherhood?) should lob rockets into Israel, unless they want to empathize with the fate of the Palestinians.<br />
In contrast, Israel holds many Lebanese prisoners (some of them well known extremists such as Samir Kuntar, others whom it labels as terrorists). Before this war started there have been documented raids by Israeli forces into Southern Lebanon to pick up &#8216;suspects&#8217;. I don&#8217;t see why Hezbollah can&#8217;t do the same. After all, one illegal act is as good as the other.</p>
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		<title>By: rajeev</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/07/27/conflict-resolution-some-new-directions/#comment-15648</link>
		<dc:creator>rajeev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shubho,
We are talking about freedom and freedom has different flavours. I am not cheering on the massacres. 
About artificial states, read the history of Palestine, Lebanon, Israel, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, etc. They were all created artificially and every power at the time of the creation tried to have their say. 
Do you remember what a certain Zia ul Haq did in Jordan for which he was honoured by the King of Jordan. Zia ul Haq suppressed an uprising by killing thousands of Palestinians.
I can also argue that partition of India was an artificial act. If you one country that was created based on religion totally unlike the other.
If you feel Israel is wrong then why are there no fights now between Egypt and Israel? or for that matter between Jordan and Israel. Do you hear of Egyptian militants  firing rockets from the Sinai peninsula? And yes Egypt was sending fidayeens to Israel before the 1967 war.

And I am obliquely condemning Israel&#039;s disproportionate actions. That is why my suggestions are out of the box. Israel has not implemented what I have said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shubho,<br />
We are talking about freedom and freedom has different flavours. I am not cheering on the massacres.<br />
About artificial states, read the history of Palestine, Lebanon, Israel, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, etc. They were all created artificially and every power at the time of the creation tried to have their say.<br />
Do you remember what a certain Zia ul Haq did in Jordan for which he was honoured by the King of Jordan. Zia ul Haq suppressed an uprising by killing thousands of Palestinians.<br />
I can also argue that partition of India was an artificial act. If you one country that was created based on religion totally unlike the other.<br />
If you feel Israel is wrong then why are there no fights now between Egypt and Israel? or for that matter between Jordan and Israel. Do you hear of Egyptian militants  firing rockets from the Sinai peninsula? And yes Egypt was sending fidayeens to Israel before the 1967 war.</p>
<p>And I am obliquely condemning Israel&#8217;s disproportionate actions. That is why my suggestions are out of the box. Israel has not implemented what I have said.</p>
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