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		<title>By: asad</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/09/29/saving-terrorist-afzal/#comment-764119</link>
		<dc:creator>asad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a very irritating information</description>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/09/29/saving-terrorist-afzal/#comment-669500</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kill this anti national bastard right now and for good measure also kill his entire family (and human rights activists be damned). This will perhaps send a strong msg to all terrorists and potential traitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kill this anti national bastard right now and for good measure also kill his entire family (and human rights activists be damned). This will perhaps send a strong msg to all terrorists and potential traitors.</p>
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		<title>By: hara hara bom bom</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/09/29/saving-terrorist-afzal/#comment-669233</link>
		<dc:creator>hara hara bom bom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As part of the negotiations with the terrorists (both the gun-wielding Pakistanis in Mumbai, &amp; the Pakistani establishment discussing Sarabjit&#039;s release), are we sure that Afzal won&#039;t end up being pardoned and released?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As part of the negotiations with the terrorists (both the gun-wielding Pakistanis in Mumbai, &amp; the Pakistani establishment discussing Sarabjit&#8217;s release), are we sure that Afzal won&#8217;t end up being pardoned and released?</p>
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		<title>By: bonk</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/09/29/saving-terrorist-afzal/#comment-669146</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly condemn that afzal should be hanged till death.
He doesn&#039;t deserve such an easy death. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly condemn that afzal should be hanged till death.<br />
He doesn&#8217;t deserve such an easy death. </p>
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		<title>By: photoman</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/09/29/saving-terrorist-afzal/#comment-572529</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>respect bro, nice post imho ! 
more more!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>respect bro, nice post imho !<br />
more more!!!</p>
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		<title>By: The Usual at Random Thoughts of a Demented Mind</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/09/29/saving-terrorist-afzal/#comment-542627</link>
		<dc:creator>The Usual at Random Thoughts of a Demented Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that they won&#8217;t get caught. Not the masterminds anyway. And even in the unlikely case that they are caught and sentenced to execution, their &#8220;death sentence&#8221; will be indefinitely delayed to prevent &#8220;hurting&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that they won&#8217;t get caught. Not the masterminds anyway. And even in the unlikely case that they are caught and sentenced to execution, their &#8220;death sentence&#8221; will be indefinitely delayed to prevent &#8220;hurting&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pranab Roy</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/09/29/saving-terrorist-afzal/#comment-501900</link>
		<dc:creator>Pranab Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some very interesting background information from the horse&#039;s mouth .... on the Kandahar Hijacking as well as the attempt to deport a Jihadi (Dawood Ibrahim) from &quot;The Land of the Pure&quot;.

http://us.rediff.com/news/2008/mar/20us.htm

&lt;b&gt;US showed lack of interest in Dawood&#039;s deportation: Advani&lt;/b&gt;

The United States showed &quot;lack of enthusiasm&quot; in getting underworld don Dawood Ibrahim deported to India from Pakistan despite making some initial efforts, says senior Bharatiya Janata Party leader Lal Kishenchand Advani.

Advani, in his memoir My Country My Life, notes with deep disappointment America&#039;s reticence in pressing Pakistan to hand over Dawood, wanted in connection with 1993 Mumbai serial blasts, to India.

The former deputy prime minister writes in detail his efforts to get Dawood and his meetings with the then US secretary of state Colin Powell and national security advisor Condoleezza Rice in this regard.

He notes that Indian officials handed over a copy of the list of top 20 most-wanted terrorists taken refuge in Pakistan to their US counterparts during his visit to that country in January 2002, a month after the Parliament attack.

Advani recollects that within 10 days of his meeting with Powell, he came on a whirlwind tour of India and Pakistan in a bid to lower tension and gave &quot;clearer indication&quot; that the Bush administration had decided to ask then president Pervez Musharraf [Images] to combat terrorism.

&quot;He (Powell) told his Indian interlocutors that Pakistan would hand over Dawood Ibrahim to India &#039;with some strings attached&#039; and also that Musharraf needed 15 to 20 days more for doing so,&quot; he writes.

However, Advani says he &quot;started facing hurdles&quot; soon and recollecting it now &quot;is not a very happy experience.&quot;

&quot;When Powell came to India, I was unpleasantly surprised to know that I was not among the Indian officials meeting him. The PMO&#039;s explanation, from what I gathered, was that since I had met the US secretary of state only 10 days earlier in Washington, there was no need for me to meet him again,&quot; he says.

&quot;It bewildered me. My interest in meeting Powell was, specifically, to find out about the Bush administration&#039;s follow-up on the Indian demand for the extradition of Ibrahim and others in the list submitted to Pakistan,&quot; Advani says.

In the months that followed, he notes, there was no Pakistani action on the Indian demand on Ibrahim and &quot;there was only fibbing and foot-dragging. In my interactions with visiting Americans, I began to see, strangely, a certain lack of enthusiasm. &#039;We do not have the clout to compel Pakistan to act on this issue,&#039; they started saying,&quot; he writes.

&quot;I suspected, not without basis, that somebody in the bureaucratic system was trying, in Indian&#039;s dialogue with Americans, to de-emphasise or derail the issue of getting Ibrahim and other Indian terrorists back from Pakistan,&quot; Advani notes.

He says his &quot;deep disappointments&quot; as home minister was that India was &quot;denied a major success in its war against Pakistan-supported terrorism by way of bureaucratic non- cooperation &quot;that I have not been able to fully fathom.&quot;

Another disappointment, Advani says, came when America did not help to block the hijacked Indian Airlines flight at the Dubai airport en-route to Kandahar despite him seeking assistance from then US ambassador to India Robert Blackwill.

&quot;I felt that the Americans, with their considerable military presence and diplomatic influence in the Gulf region, could have taken some effective proactive steps to put the hijacked plane out of action, so that Indian commandos could be sent there to rescue the hostages. I was deeply disappointed that they did not even try,&quot; the leader of the opposition recollects.

A few days after the crisis had ended, Advani says he made his displeasure known to Blackwill during a meeting.

&quot;This is not what we understand by Indo-US cooperation in fighting terrorism,&quot; I told him. &quot;That experience reinforced my belief that India has to fight its war on terror essentially on its own,&quot; he notes.

On the National Democratic Alliance government&#039;s decision to free three terrorists to end the hijacking crisis, he says, &quot;I was initially not in favour of exchanging the terrorists with hostages. However, the situation that our government was faced with was truly extraordinary.&quot;

&quot;The fact that the hijackers had taken the plane to Kandahar had rendered the situation much more complex and difficult,&quot; he says.

The &quot;most unfortunate&quot; part of the entire episode, he said was that pressure was being mounted on the government to &quot;somehow&quot; save the lives of the hostages in the form of hysterical demonstrations by relatives of the hostages outside prime minister&#039;s residence.

&quot;I regret to say that these were at least partly instigated by the BJP&#039;s political adversaries,&quot; he said and blamed some television channels for hyping up these protests with round-the-clock publicity.

&quot;With mounting pressure from relatives on one hand, and the possibility of hijackers taking recourse to some desperate action on the other, the government most reluctantly took the option of minimising the losses,&quot; he says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some very interesting background information from the horse&#8217;s mouth &#8230;. on the Kandahar Hijacking as well as the attempt to deport a Jihadi (Dawood Ibrahim) from &#8220;The Land of the Pure&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://us.rediff.com/news/2008/mar/20us.htm" rel="nofollow">http://us.rediff.com/news/2008/mar/20us.htm</a></p>
<p><b>US showed lack of interest in Dawood&#8217;s deportation: Advani</b></p>
<p>The United States showed &#8220;lack of enthusiasm&#8221; in getting underworld don Dawood Ibrahim deported to India from Pakistan despite making some initial efforts, says senior Bharatiya Janata Party leader Lal Kishenchand Advani.</p>
<p>Advani, in his memoir My Country My Life, notes with deep disappointment America&#8217;s reticence in pressing Pakistan to hand over Dawood, wanted in connection with 1993 Mumbai serial blasts, to India.</p>
<p>The former deputy prime minister writes in detail his efforts to get Dawood and his meetings with the then US secretary of state Colin Powell and national security advisor Condoleezza Rice in this regard.</p>
<p>He notes that Indian officials handed over a copy of the list of top 20 most-wanted terrorists taken refuge in Pakistan to their US counterparts during his visit to that country in January 2002, a month after the Parliament attack.</p>
<p>Advani recollects that within 10 days of his meeting with Powell, he came on a whirlwind tour of India and Pakistan in a bid to lower tension and gave &#8220;clearer indication&#8221; that the Bush administration had decided to ask then president Pervez Musharraf [Images] to combat terrorism.</p>
<p>&#8220;He (Powell) told his Indian interlocutors that Pakistan would hand over Dawood Ibrahim to India &#8216;with some strings attached&#8217; and also that Musharraf needed 15 to 20 days more for doing so,&#8221; he writes.</p>
<p>However, Advani says he &#8220;started facing hurdles&#8221; soon and recollecting it now &#8220;is not a very happy experience.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;When Powell came to India, I was unpleasantly surprised to know that I was not among the Indian officials meeting him. The PMO&#8217;s explanation, from what I gathered, was that since I had met the US secretary of state only 10 days earlier in Washington, there was no need for me to meet him again,&#8221; he says.</p>
<p>&#8220;It bewildered me. My interest in meeting Powell was, specifically, to find out about the Bush administration&#8217;s follow-up on the Indian demand for the extradition of Ibrahim and others in the list submitted to Pakistan,&#8221; Advani says.</p>
<p>In the months that followed, he notes, there was no Pakistani action on the Indian demand on Ibrahim and &#8220;there was only fibbing and foot-dragging. In my interactions with visiting Americans, I began to see, strangely, a certain lack of enthusiasm. &#8216;We do not have the clout to compel Pakistan to act on this issue,&#8217; they started saying,&#8221; he writes.</p>
<p>&#8220;I suspected, not without basis, that somebody in the bureaucratic system was trying, in Indian&#8217;s dialogue with Americans, to de-emphasise or derail the issue of getting Ibrahim and other Indian terrorists back from Pakistan,&#8221; Advani notes.</p>
<p>He says his &#8220;deep disappointments&#8221; as home minister was that India was &#8220;denied a major success in its war against Pakistan-supported terrorism by way of bureaucratic non- cooperation &#8220;that I have not been able to fully fathom.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another disappointment, Advani says, came when America did not help to block the hijacked Indian Airlines flight at the Dubai airport en-route to Kandahar despite him seeking assistance from then US ambassador to India Robert Blackwill.</p>
<p>&#8220;I felt that the Americans, with their considerable military presence and diplomatic influence in the Gulf region, could have taken some effective proactive steps to put the hijacked plane out of action, so that Indian commandos could be sent there to rescue the hostages. I was deeply disappointed that they did not even try,&#8221; the leader of the opposition recollects.</p>
<p>A few days after the crisis had ended, Advani says he made his displeasure known to Blackwill during a meeting.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is not what we understand by Indo-US cooperation in fighting terrorism,&#8221; I told him. &#8220;That experience reinforced my belief that India has to fight its war on terror essentially on its own,&#8221; he notes.</p>
<p>On the National Democratic Alliance government&#8217;s decision to free three terrorists to end the hijacking crisis, he says, &#8220;I was initially not in favour of exchanging the terrorists with hostages. However, the situation that our government was faced with was truly extraordinary.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact that the hijackers had taken the plane to Kandahar had rendered the situation much more complex and difficult,&#8221; he says.</p>
<p>The &#8220;most unfortunate&#8221; part of the entire episode, he said was that pressure was being mounted on the government to &#8220;somehow&#8221; save the lives of the hostages in the form of hysterical demonstrations by relatives of the hostages outside prime minister&#8217;s residence.</p>
<p>&#8220;I regret to say that these were at least partly instigated by the BJP&#8217;s political adversaries,&#8221; he said and blamed some television channels for hyping up these protests with round-the-clock publicity.</p>
<p>&#8220;With mounting pressure from relatives on one hand, and the possibility of hijackers taking recourse to some desperate action on the other, the government most reluctantly took the option of minimising the losses,&#8221; he says.</p>
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		<title>By: The Acorn &#187; Death sentence dilemma</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/09/29/saving-terrorist-afzal/#comment-34048</link>
		<dc:creator>The Acorn &#187; Death sentence dilemma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The third category is by far the largest one, for it includes the entire gamut of political opportunists that the Indian government has foolishly engaged in its attempts to resolve the troubles in Jammu &amp; Kashmir. Kashmiri politicians have found it to their advantage to incite and project the Kashmiri people as being supportive of terrorists. Ordinary Indians are generally outraged by this, and may even have hardened their stand on Afzal because of it. But the Indian government should hardly be surprised by this. Remember what the Hurriyat was saying after last year&#8217;s earthquake. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The third category is by far the largest one, for it includes the entire gamut of political opportunists that the Indian government has foolishly engaged in its attempts to resolve the troubles in Jammu &#38; Kashmir. Kashmiri politicians have found it to their advantage to incite and project the Kashmiri people as being supportive of terrorists. Ordinary Indians are generally outraged by this, and may even have hardened their stand on Afzal because of it. But the Indian government should hardly be surprised by this. Remember what the Hurriyat was saying after last year&#8217;s earthquake. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sayon</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/09/29/saving-terrorist-afzal/#comment-32785</link>
		<dc:creator>Sayon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gaurav: You are right. The Supreme court is not bound by precendent - agreed, but lawyers are permitted to argue on the basis of precedents, including in other countries, to establish what is natural justice. The honourable judge in his wisdom, decides what is, in his opinion, right.

Yes, the INA men were pardoned by the military court, but keeping in mind the arguments from the defence team. Yes, in our (Gaurav, this includes ME!) opinion, the INA men were heroes and the Kashmiri terrorists are ... well, terrorists. Go back in time and ask a British soldier, or ask a Kashmiri seperatist, and the answer may well differ.

I&#039;m not asking you to change your mind. I even share your viewpoint. But just try to remember that there are other viewpoints, however delusional they may seem to us. If, god forbid, they win, it may be their viewpoint which will be enshrined in history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gaurav: You are right. The Supreme court is not bound by precendent &#8211; agreed, but lawyers are permitted to argue on the basis of precedents, including in other countries, to establish what is natural justice. The honourable judge in his wisdom, decides what is, in his opinion, right.</p>
<p>Yes, the INA men were pardoned by the military court, but keeping in mind the arguments from the defence team. Yes, in our (Gaurav, this includes ME!) opinion, the INA men were heroes and the Kashmiri terrorists are &#8230; well, terrorists. Go back in time and ask a British soldier, or ask a Kashmiri seperatist, and the answer may well differ.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not asking you to change your mind. I even share your viewpoint. But just try to remember that there are other viewpoints, however delusional they may seem to us. If, god forbid, they win, it may be their viewpoint which will be enshrined in history.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaurav</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/09/29/saving-terrorist-afzal/#comment-32717</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaurav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I looked it up a bit.... this is what I understand...
first of all, the laws may be old but the supreme court of our land is not bound by precedents set by any british courts(in fact, its not even bound by its own precedents). And only in absence of any precedents set by our SC would the judgements of pre-independence british &quot;Privy council&quot; be binding on our lower courts. decisions of all other foreign courts are only of persuasive value....
secondly, INA trial in red fort was actually a martial trial(you can probably estimate its fairness), and the three accused were pardoned by CiC keeping in mind the prevailing conditions and mutinies in british ranks... it was not exactly a goodwill decision

and finally, talking of viewpoints, there is a certain difference between freedom fighters and terrorists which every sane mind can make out. as far as we know, none of our freedom fighters has ever been accused of   blowing bombs in crowded market places or committing massacares, not even by the brits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I looked it up a bit&#8230;. this is what I understand&#8230;<br />
first of all, the laws may be old but the supreme court of our land is not bound by precedents set by any british courts(in fact, its not even bound by its own precedents). And only in absence of any precedents set by our SC would the judgements of pre-independence british &#8220;Privy council&#8221; be binding on our lower courts. decisions of all other foreign courts are only of persuasive value&#8230;.<br />
secondly, INA trial in red fort was actually a martial trial(you can probably estimate its fairness), and the three accused were pardoned by CiC keeping in mind the prevailing conditions and mutinies in british ranks&#8230; it was not exactly a goodwill decision</p>
<p>and finally, talking of viewpoints, there is a certain difference between freedom fighters and terrorists which every sane mind can make out. as far as we know, none of our freedom fighters has ever been accused of   blowing bombs in crowded market places or committing massacares, not even by the brits.</p>
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