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		<title>By: Soma to florida.</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/11/10/the-concept-of-equality-once-again/#comment-220831</link>
		<dc:creator>Soma to florida.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Soma to florida....&lt;/strong&gt;

Soma to florida....</description>
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<p>Soma to florida&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kylia</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/11/10/the-concept-of-equality-once-again/#comment-148604</link>
		<dc:creator>Kylia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before I get into this, I have to make a few confessions to put my comment into context.

1) I am female.

2) While I am of indian descent, my family moved to canada while I was five. Hence, I am not actually affected by this law.

3)I grew up in somewhat of a liberal household. When we immigrated here, it was from Delhi rather than a smaller locale where values may have been more traditional and thus I am caught in less of a time-warp than many other indian families in my neighbourhood. So I realize that my way of looking at things is somewhat unique to the general NRI-ish point of view.


Okay, now that those are out of the way...

I agree. with quite a bit of what you&#039;ve said. While I think that bit on sexual relations could have been written a whole lot clearer, you did clear it up in your subsequent replies to people so I&#039;m satisfied.

Honestly, this is the kind of thing that makes me a bit uncomfortable. Growing up with my mother, a woman whose job entails dealing with different kinds of discrimination every day, I&#039;ve grown up with fact planted clearly in my head that yes, majorities can be discriminated against. I&#039;m part of a few sites on the web where I have discussed issues of a gender nature before and I&#039;m always spoken against when I express my disagreement with things like this, so I understand your hesitency to speak out on this issue.

Even though I don&#039;t really have anything of value to add to your post, I just wanted to put it out there that I do agree with you that this bill is extremely sexist and I feel that there are probably a lot of cases in which it will be used as blackmail or will be used unjustly against perfectly innocent people.

Yes, equality is an issue. Yes, domestic violence is an issue. But this is not the way to solve either one.

I think this post has been dragged through the ashes a bit. Even I, super reader and interested party extraordinaire got tired of reading all the comments, I&#039;m sad to say. I only scanned some parts so I&#039;m going to refrain from replying to individuals at this point.

I have a memory of a year or two ago when I went over the border to pick up an uncle from the airport and happened to tune in to a radio station that was a &quot;by men, for men&quot; type. I remember it because at the time they were talking about domestic violence and bringing up some points I hadn&#039;t heard brought up before. Something a lot of people have mentioned is that women suffer in a violent situation because they would lose respect if they spoke out. However, this is often doubly true for men.

Picture this. The police are called by a neighbour who heard fighting or something or the other next door. When they arrive, they find a husband and wife. One of them is sporting a black eye. was there domestic violence?

Taking out the assumption that there probably was if the hurt party was the wife, let&#039;s concentrate on what they say. The police officer asks, &quot;Did your husband punch you?&quot; Most likely scenario? The woman will start crying and will play it up.

(At this point i fully expect to be attacked for portraying women as manipulative bitches)

Let&#039;s reverse that scenario. The police Officer asks, &quot;Did your wife punch you?&quot; What does the husband say? Now think about it. Place the various men you know in this situation. What does he say? Odds are, he tells the policeman he fell down the stairs or some other story.

Is this a theory? Yeah. is it plausible? People will have to decide that for themselves.


On a completely different but related note, I stumbled on Joss Whedon&#039;s (he writes and creates tv shows and the like for those who have no idea who I&#039;m talking about. I&#039;m a big fan of &quot;Buffy the Vampire slayer. Yes, you may laugh. Many do. Poor Me.) speech at the Equality Now event in May. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaczoJMRhs Quite amusing most of it but I have to say he struck a note near the end about where he talks about interview number 50 (you&#039;ll get the reference if you watch it) and really climaxes at &quot;Equality is not a concept.&quot;

I&#039;m sure there are other things I wanted to say but I don&#039;t really remember them at 5 in the morning when I was supposed to be writing an essay on anti-branding and ended up reading this instead. 

Hope this makes some sort of sense

Divya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I get into this, I have to make a few confessions to put my comment into context.</p>
<p>1) I am female.</p>
<p>2) While I am of indian descent, my family moved to canada while I was five. Hence, I am not actually affected by this law.</p>
<p>3)I grew up in somewhat of a liberal household. When we immigrated here, it was from Delhi rather than a smaller locale where values may have been more traditional and thus I am caught in less of a time-warp than many other indian families in my neighbourhood. So I realize that my way of looking at things is somewhat unique to the general NRI-ish point of view.</p>
<p>Okay, now that those are out of the way&#8230;</p>
<p>I agree. with quite a bit of what you&#8217;ve said. While I think that bit on sexual relations could have been written a whole lot clearer, you did clear it up in your subsequent replies to people so I&#8217;m satisfied.</p>
<p>Honestly, this is the kind of thing that makes me a bit uncomfortable. Growing up with my mother, a woman whose job entails dealing with different kinds of discrimination every day, I&#8217;ve grown up with fact planted clearly in my head that yes, majorities can be discriminated against. I&#8217;m part of a few sites on the web where I have discussed issues of a gender nature before and I&#8217;m always spoken against when I express my disagreement with things like this, so I understand your hesitency to speak out on this issue.</p>
<p>Even though I don&#8217;t really have anything of value to add to your post, I just wanted to put it out there that I do agree with you that this bill is extremely sexist and I feel that there are probably a lot of cases in which it will be used as blackmail or will be used unjustly against perfectly innocent people.</p>
<p>Yes, equality is an issue. Yes, domestic violence is an issue. But this is not the way to solve either one.</p>
<p>I think this post has been dragged through the ashes a bit. Even I, super reader and interested party extraordinaire got tired of reading all the comments, I&#8217;m sad to say. I only scanned some parts so I&#8217;m going to refrain from replying to individuals at this point.</p>
<p>I have a memory of a year or two ago when I went over the border to pick up an uncle from the airport and happened to tune in to a radio station that was a &#8220;by men, for men&#8221; type. I remember it because at the time they were talking about domestic violence and bringing up some points I hadn&#8217;t heard brought up before. Something a lot of people have mentioned is that women suffer in a violent situation because they would lose respect if they spoke out. However, this is often doubly true for men.</p>
<p>Picture this. The police are called by a neighbour who heard fighting or something or the other next door. When they arrive, they find a husband and wife. One of them is sporting a black eye. was there domestic violence?</p>
<p>Taking out the assumption that there probably was if the hurt party was the wife, let&#8217;s concentrate on what they say. The police officer asks, &#8220;Did your husband punch you?&#8221; Most likely scenario? The woman will start crying and will play it up.</p>
<p>(At this point i fully expect to be attacked for portraying women as manipulative bitches)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s reverse that scenario. The police Officer asks, &#8220;Did your wife punch you?&#8221; What does the husband say? Now think about it. Place the various men you know in this situation. What does he say? Odds are, he tells the policeman he fell down the stairs or some other story.</p>
<p>Is this a theory? Yeah. is it plausible? People will have to decide that for themselves.</p>
<p>On a completely different but related note, I stumbled on Joss Whedon&#8217;s (he writes and creates tv shows and the like for those who have no idea who I&#8217;m talking about. I&#8217;m a big fan of &#8220;Buffy the Vampire slayer. Yes, you may laugh. Many do. Poor Me.) speech at the Equality Now event in May. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaczoJMRhs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaczoJMRhs</a> Quite amusing most of it but I have to say he struck a note near the end about where he talks about interview number 50 (you&#8217;ll get the reference if you watch it) and really climaxes at &#8220;Equality is not a concept.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are other things I wanted to say but I don&#8217;t really remember them at 5 in the morning when I was supposed to be writing an essay on anti-branding and ended up reading this instead. </p>
<p>Hope this makes some sort of sense</p>
<p>Divya</p>
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		<title>By: Swarup Sarkar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swarup Sarkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supreme Court India finds fault with Domestic Violence Act.


So the Question still Unanswered, are our LAW Maker ready to accept their Mistake and take corrective action immediately or will be busy to save the Terrorist life , who had been Punished By Supreme court Hang to death ?

Wonder our age old Parents live is more important or the life of a Hard Core Terrorist are more Important for our LAW Makers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supreme Court India finds fault with Domestic Violence Act.</p>
<p>So the Question still Unanswered, are our LAW Maker ready to accept their Mistake and take corrective action immediately or will be busy to save the Terrorist life , who had been Punished By Supreme court Hang to death ?</p>
<p>Wonder our age old Parents live is more important or the life of a Hard Core Terrorist are more Important for our LAW Makers.</p>
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		<title>By: Swarup Sarkar</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/11/10/the-concept-of-equality-once-again/#comment-71547</link>
		<dc:creator>Swarup Sarkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supreme Court India finds fault with Domestic Violence Act.
More at :
http://www.indiatalking.com/blog/swarup/4631/
So the Question still Unanswered, are our LAW Maker ready to accept their Mistake and take corrective action immediately or will be busy to save the Terrorist life , who had been Punished By Supreme court Hang to death ?
 
 
Wonder our age old Parents live is more important or the life of a Hard Core Terrorist are more Important for our LAW Makers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supreme Court India finds fault with Domestic Violence Act.<br />
More at :<br />
<a href="http://www.indiatalking.com/blog/swarup/4631/" rel="nofollow">http://www.indiatalking.com/blog/swarup/4631/</a><br />
So the Question still Unanswered, are our LAW Maker ready to accept their Mistake and take corrective action immediately or will be busy to save the Terrorist life , who had been Punished By Supreme court Hang to death ?</p>
<p>Wonder our age old Parents live is more important or the life of a Hard Core Terrorist are more Important for our LAW Makers.</p>
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		<title>By: bharati</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/11/10/the-concept-of-equality-once-again/#comment-68839</link>
		<dc:creator>bharati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Custody is granted by the courts or supposed to be atleast after evaluation . I do not know of Falvia Agnes story whether her story is true or not but I do think that she is divorcee and has in her minds had a bad experince . But denying of custody can be done by courts. Only a presumtive custody is taken and then the other party has the right to challenge it . I am not sure how you can claim that as an abuse . In such a case I guess almost every man is abused by that yardstick because rarely do they get custody  

Now Are we saying that men should never keep custody of the child. Have we gone to the standards that maybe men should not inviolve in household work.

Has the 21st century women suddenly decided that she does not want to work and provide for herself and children. Men have done it for centuries . How come we ask some man to provide for who is essentially doctor etc.  

Providin gis mean to be adependents not every one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Custody is granted by the courts or supposed to be atleast after evaluation . I do not know of Falvia Agnes story whether her story is true or not but I do think that she is divorcee and has in her minds had a bad experince . But denying of custody can be done by courts. Only a presumtive custody is taken and then the other party has the right to challenge it . I am not sure how you can claim that as an abuse . In such a case I guess almost every man is abused by that yardstick because rarely do they get custody  </p>
<p>Now Are we saying that men should never keep custody of the child. Have we gone to the standards that maybe men should not inviolve in household work.</p>
<p>Has the 21st century women suddenly decided that she does not want to work and provide for herself and children. Men have done it for centuries . How come we ask some man to provide for who is essentially doctor etc.  </p>
<p>Providin gis mean to be adependents not every one</p>
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		<title>By: rajeev</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/11/10/the-concept-of-equality-once-again/#comment-64283</link>
		<dc:creator>rajeev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to this website http://www.vaniindia.org/inf_NGOfact.asp there were 1.2 million of htem in India in 2002, which is 1 for every 1000 Indians. I have also come across figures of 2 million whis 1 for every 500 Indians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to this website <a href="http://www.vaniindia.org/inf_NGOfact.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.vaniindia.org/inf_NGOfact.asp</a> there were 1.2 million of htem in India in 2002, which is 1 for every 1000 Indians. I have also come across figures of 2 million whis 1 for every 500 Indians.</p>
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		<title>By: rajeev</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/11/10/the-concept-of-equality-once-again/#comment-64282</link>
		<dc:creator>rajeev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NGOs in India are a big scam. They always try their best to exaggerate the problem. That is what I wanted to point out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NGOs in India are a big scam. They always try their best to exaggerate the problem. That is what I wanted to point out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sumanth</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/11/10/the-concept-of-equality-once-again/#comment-64010</link>
		<dc:creator>Sumanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rajiv,

In a big state like West Bengal only 125 or 160 females are facing Domestic Violence? Thanks to that screwed up NGO and its fucked up research. We masculists will give abetter figure that these idiots.

NCRB also says, 44.7% of all suicides are by married males where as only 25% are by married women. This proves that married males are about 2 times worse off than married females.

Feminists want to double suicide rate of men in another few years. 

By the way, that number 58,319 is the number of 498a cases filed in year 2005. The conviction rate is 2% and 80% of these cases are false.

Only idiots can claim false cases as part of statistics. Please take the conviction rate and not the number of cases filed.

Indian love to get brainwashed by media and Italians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rajiv,</p>
<p>In a big state like West Bengal only 125 or 160 females are facing Domestic Violence? Thanks to that screwed up NGO and its fucked up research. We masculists will give abetter figure that these idiots.</p>
<p>NCRB also says, 44.7% of all suicides are by married males where as only 25% are by married women. This proves that married males are about 2 times worse off than married females.</p>
<p>Feminists want to double suicide rate of men in another few years. </p>
<p>By the way, that number 58,319 is the number of 498a cases filed in year 2005. The conviction rate is 2% and 80% of these cases are false.</p>
<p>Only idiots can claim false cases as part of statistics. Please take the conviction rate and not the number of cases filed.</p>
<p>Indian love to get brainwashed by media and Italians.</p>
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		<title>By: rajeev</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/11/10/the-concept-of-equality-once-again/#comment-63145</link>
		<dc:creator>rajeev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some figures on doemstic violence from hindu. 

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200612100310.htm?headline=Rise~in~domestic~violence
In 2000, an average of 125 women faced domestic violence every day and after five years, the figure is 160. 

West Bengal recorded the second highest incidence of domestic violence after Andhra Pradesh and accounted for the fourth highest dowry deaths after Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and Madhya Pradesh, an NGO &#039;Swayam&#039; said at a seminar on &#039;Domestic Violence&#039; here citing an NCRB report. 

The NGO said that 19 women were murdered by either their husbands and family members, while 160 cases of domestic violence were reported last year. &quot;That is, 58,319 women per year were abused in their own homes.&quot; 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some figures on doemstic violence from hindu. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200612100310.htm?headline=Rise~in~domestic~violence" rel="nofollow">http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200612100310.htm?headline=Rise~in~domestic~violence</a><br />
In 2000, an average of 125 women faced domestic violence every day and after five years, the figure is 160. </p>
<p>West Bengal recorded the second highest incidence of domestic violence after Andhra Pradesh and accounted for the fourth highest dowry deaths after Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and Madhya Pradesh, an NGO &#8216;Swayam&#8217; said at a seminar on &#8216;Domestic Violence&#8217; here citing an NCRB report. </p>
<p>The NGO said that 19 women were murdered by either their husbands and family members, while 160 cases of domestic violence were reported last year. &#8220;That is, 58,319 women per year were abused in their own homes.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Swarup Sarkar</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2006/11/10/the-concept-of-equality-once-again/#comment-59533</link>
		<dc:creator>Swarup Sarkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Volunteer and Moderator of SIF ( Save Indian Family ) , every day I used to habituated to hear the Same Cry , Pain , Frustration of thousands Age Old parents , Pregent Sister , handicapped Husbands , when this â€œ Legal Terrorism â€œ in India will Stop??

Recently though the Supreme Court of India Cautioned to take the necessary precaution and seal the hope hole in 498A and anti-dowry LAW to stop such â€œ Legal terrorismâ€ , our LAW maker does not brother to respect the same  , where as they are ready with another tools in the Name of Domestic Violence Act instead of a Domestic harmony Act , where a Husband and there all family members will be thrown out of House in the name of  so called Verbal abuse , mental harassment , economical abuse and adulterate relationship ( no need any evidence , only her or her family members own statement is sufficient ) , where as for the same offence from the wife and their family members side , forget any punishment , there is no provision of a small warning for them , they have given them a whole sale free license for  â€œVerbal abuse , mental harassment , economical abuse and adulterate relationship .â€

Check this article:-

If any LAW maker does not have the sufficient knowledge , then why they make such a stupid LAW ??
http://www.indiatalking.com/blog/swarup/1326/

Indian Parents and Pregent Sister are in Jail !!!

Now the question is are we ready to avoid a Terrorist attack in the form of 498A or DV Act??

Last one year my experience is a Big â€œNoâ€.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Volunteer and Moderator of SIF ( Save Indian Family ) , every day I used to habituated to hear the Same Cry , Pain , Frustration of thousands Age Old parents , Pregent Sister , handicapped Husbands , when this â€œ Legal Terrorism â€œ in India will Stop??</p>
<p>Recently though the Supreme Court of India Cautioned to take the necessary precaution and seal the hope hole in 498A and anti-dowry LAW to stop such â€œ Legal terrorismâ€ , our LAW maker does not brother to respect the same  , where as they are ready with another tools in the Name of Domestic Violence Act instead of a Domestic harmony Act , where a Husband and there all family members will be thrown out of House in the name of  so called Verbal abuse , mental harassment , economical abuse and adulterate relationship ( no need any evidence , only her or her family members own statement is sufficient ) , where as for the same offence from the wife and their family members side , forget any punishment , there is no provision of a small warning for them , they have given them a whole sale free license for  â€œVerbal abuse , mental harassment , economical abuse and adulterate relationship .â€</p>
<p>Check this article:-</p>
<p>If any LAW maker does not have the sufficient knowledge , then why they make such a stupid LAW ??<br />
<a href="http://www.indiatalking.com/blog/swarup/1326/" rel="nofollow">http://www.indiatalking.com/blog/swarup/1326/</a></p>
<p>Indian Parents and Pregent Sister are in Jail !!!</p>
<p>Now the question is are we ready to avoid a Terrorist attack in the form of 498A or DV Act??</p>
<p>Last one year my experience is a Big â€œNoâ€.</p>
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