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		<title>By: Hara hara bom bom</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2007/08/25/one-two-buckle-my-shoe/#comment-335779</link>
		<dc:creator>Hara hara bom bom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mohan,

EDB is undoubtably one of the greatest management thinkers of our times.  His &quot;6 hat thinking&quot; technique is a cornestone of modern management strategy.

However, some of his theories are less than inspirational.  His solution for solving the Mid-East problem was sending jar loads of Marmite (a funny tasting bread spread) there.  

His logic was, Jews &amp; Muslims eat kosher bread, which has no zinc.  Lack of zinc causes aggression.  As Marmite has zinc, it will solve the whole problem in a jiffy!! Hey Presto!!

Similarly, while the Chinese people are exceptionally friendly, their establishment views India in the manner vampires eye large people. Pieces of meat.  Especially when the Indian establishment acts with such complete supine inferiority.

If there ever is to be rapproachment between the two, there needs to be a paradigm shift on at least side; either China gains a conscience, or India surgically inserts a spine and starts standing up tall enough to be respected.

Neither seems likely.  So until then, we should doubt &amp; fear the Red Menace.  If you thought the colonial gora  viewed India with disdain, you cannot even beging to gauge the jaw dropping superciliousness of the Middle Kingdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mohan,</p>
<p>EDB is undoubtably one of the greatest management thinkers of our times.  His &#8220;6 hat thinking&#8221; technique is a cornestone of modern management strategy.</p>
<p>However, some of his theories are less than inspirational.  His solution for solving the Mid-East problem was sending jar loads of Marmite (a funny tasting bread spread) there.  </p>
<p>His logic was, Jews &amp; Muslims eat kosher bread, which has no zinc.  Lack of zinc causes aggression.  As Marmite has zinc, it will solve the whole problem in a jiffy!! Hey Presto!!</p>
<p>Similarly, while the Chinese people are exceptionally friendly, their establishment views India in the manner vampires eye large people. Pieces of meat.  Especially when the Indian establishment acts with such complete supine inferiority.</p>
<p>If there ever is to be rapproachment between the two, there needs to be a paradigm shift on at least side; either China gains a conscience, or India surgically inserts a spine and starts standing up tall enough to be respected.</p>
<p>Neither seems likely.  So until then, we should doubt &amp; fear the Red Menace.  If you thought the colonial gora  viewed India with disdain, you cannot even beging to gauge the jaw dropping superciliousness of the Middle Kingdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohan</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2007/08/25/one-two-buckle-my-shoe/#comment-335658</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GB: There is an interview with Edward De Bono in today&#039;s ET.

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Q: How can India become one of top three economic super powers?

De Bono: If India can partner China, they can be a real superpower in a short time. Alternately, if India and China form a coalition bringing other developing countries in their fold, it will beat all other world superpowers.
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Exactly what I had been suggesting above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB: There is an interview with Edward De Bono in today&#8217;s ET.</p>
<p>&#8212;<br />
Q: How can India become one of top three economic super powers?</p>
<p>De Bono: If India can partner China, they can be a real superpower in a short time. Alternately, if India and China form a coalition bringing other developing countries in their fold, it will beat all other world superpowers.<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>Exactly what I had been suggesting above.</p>
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		<title>By: Rama Rama at Random Thoughts of a Demented Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rama Rama at Random Thoughts of a Demented Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] monkeys or not] they are right on the money and keeping an eye out for us. They may not care for our energy security or for our strategic foreign alliances but they sure are prompt in protecting &#8220;shovel nails&#8221; Surpanakha&#8217;s place in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] monkeys or not] they are right on the money and keeping an eye out for us. They may not care for our energy security or for our strategic foreign alliances but they sure are prompt in protecting &#8220;shovel nails&#8221; Surpanakha&#8217;s place in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hara hara bom bom</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2007/08/25/one-two-buckle-my-shoe/#comment-326153</link>
		<dc:creator>Hara hara bom bom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anshu wrote - “Actually no George. If this was China, it would be you who would have had one bullet in your head for saying that the head of state has “betrayed” his country.]”
One bullet! and then some for those coffins.

Actually no Anshu. If this was China we would not have a head of state so completely devoid of dignity and a spine like WoMAN-MOHANi.

And of course killed soldiers should not be brought back in special and expensive coffins befitting their dignity.  Of course George should be shot for saluting the sacrifice of soldiers who gave their lives for India &amp; it&#039;s ungrateful Anshus.  Murdered soldiers should be dumped in to gummy bags &amp; sent home by bullock-cart.

The money thus saved can be used to cook free beef biriyani on free Haj pilgrimages.

Yum yum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anshu wrote &#8211; “Actually no George. If this was China, it would be you who would have had one bullet in your head for saying that the head of state has “betrayed” his country.]”<br />
One bullet! and then some for those coffins.</p>
<p>Actually no Anshu. If this was China we would not have a head of state so completely devoid of dignity and a spine like WoMAN-MOHANi.</p>
<p>And of course killed soldiers should not be brought back in special and expensive coffins befitting their dignity.  Of course George should be shot for saluting the sacrifice of soldiers who gave their lives for India &amp; it&#8217;s ungrateful Anshus.  Murdered soldiers should be dumped in to gummy bags &amp; sent home by bullock-cart.</p>
<p>The money thus saved can be used to cook free beef biriyani on free Haj pilgrimages.</p>
<p>Yum yum.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Ivaturi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravi Ivaturi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mohan

I am quoting from an article in Rediff. Hopefully this should clarify Left&#039;s motives.

&quot;Unrelenting in his opposition to the deal, CPI general secretary A B Bardhan said the country should debate whether the generation of 40,000 MW of nuclear power after 20 years was more important than the &quot;complete subjugation of India&#039;s foreign policy to imperialist powers.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mohan</p>
<p>I am quoting from an article in Rediff. Hopefully this should clarify Left&#8217;s motives.</p>
<p>&#8220;Unrelenting in his opposition to the deal, CPI general secretary A B Bardhan said the country should debate whether the generation of 40,000 MW of nuclear power after 20 years was more important than the &#8220;complete subjugation of India&#8217;s foreign policy to imperialist powers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anshu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually no George. If this was China, it would be you who would have had one bullet in your head for saying that the head of state has “betrayed” his country.]&quot;
One bullet! and then some for those coffins.
-anshu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually no George. If this was China, it would be you who would have had one bullet in your head for saying that the head of state has “betrayed” his country.]&#8221;<br />
One bullet! and then some for those coffins.<br />
-anshu</p>
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		<title>By: Mohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GB, I see assumptions there - that China is an enemy, that they will never tolerate another superpower in the region etc. Based on those assumptions, it makes sense to align with US. Similarly, based on another set of premises (US power is on the wane, China&#039;s is on the rise and we can have friendly relations with them and make a powerful combine to take on the west etc.) it makes sense not to dive headlong into a strategic relationship with US. All I am saying is the latter argument is not so totally without merit that we have to assume that anyone making that argument has either lost his mind or is doing so with some ulterior motive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB, I see assumptions there &#8211; that China is an enemy, that they will never tolerate another superpower in the region etc. Based on those assumptions, it makes sense to align with US. Similarly, based on another set of premises (US power is on the wane, China&#8217;s is on the rise and we can have friendly relations with them and make a powerful combine to take on the west etc.) it makes sense not to dive headlong into a strategic relationship with US. All I am saying is the latter argument is not so totally without merit that we have to assume that anyone making that argument has either lost his mind or is doing so with some ulterior motive.</p>
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		<title>By: greatbong</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pijush: Thanks

@Rishi: Indeed it is.

@Shekhar: It would be. And as projections go, the Left stands to lose and the BJP stands to lose if they bring down the government on this issue. Of course they still have the recourse of lies to convince the people that the nuclear deal was all about taking their jobs.

@Rohit: My bet for PM is on Mayawati, the queen of orkut.

@Sriram: Hmm

@Bhopale: Yes they are.

@Indiaholic: Most politicians have no idea of whats going on. And this deal is so abstruse that it can be spun any way and noone would know the difference.

@DV: I love chilli chicken !

@Satori: All I can hope for is that crores are not spent to contain the fallout (midterm elections) of this fiasco.

@An Ideal Boy: Why Communism is alive in India? Yes I wonder why too.

@kaangeyaa : Amartya Sen may be left-leaning but I wouldnt call him a Communist per se.

@Whatsinaname: Thanks

@Ravi Ivaturi: Thanks

@ Ravi: I accept that Karan Thapar&#039;s USP is not letting the other guy talk. But in this case, I dont think he was unfair to Yechury who was repeatedly trying to sidestep his question. Thapar was just insisting he answer his question.

@Vinay: As I said, put pressure for what? Sufficient pressure was put on the government, there were negotiations based on that, and some of them were handled.  This is deal...the other side is not going to concede everything.

@Atul: They are more natural allies than China and India most certainly.

@Anirban: The historical blunder was Jyoti Basu not being able to become the PM and get some national level contracts for son Chandan.

@Sam: And what end does that serve?

@Mohan: Unless the Left has a crystal ball stuffed somewhere else, there is no way of knowing what will happen next. Right now the US is still strong enough to justify extensive military cooperation with it, especially in the light of a common enemy, pan-Islamism and China. China, with dreams of superpowerness, will never tolerate another wannabe in its geographic zone which is why it has sought to, as a matter of policy, engage India&#039;s rivals Pakistan. The Left supports China simply because of the idealogical fascination and perhaps some other more corporeal considerations may also play a factor.

@Turrtle: Shucks...what to say.

@Kaunteya: Nixon and Kissinger brought China back into the US fold---but its hardly been a love affair. There has been much heartburn over Chinese trade practices (the human rights abuses of course US gives two hoots for)...

@Paapi: Thanks

@Ankit: If India tests a nuclear device is a big if. Now lets assume we dont have the deal---we do not have any cooperation in any case even when we are not testing. So what do we have to lose?

@Kailas: I am sure they have. Karat and Yechury are intelligent people.

@Ishit: Hmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pijush: Thanks</p>
<p>@Rishi: Indeed it is.</p>
<p>@Shekhar: It would be. And as projections go, the Left stands to lose and the BJP stands to lose if they bring down the government on this issue. Of course they still have the recourse of lies to convince the people that the nuclear deal was all about taking their jobs.</p>
<p>@Rohit: My bet for PM is on Mayawati, the queen of orkut.</p>
<p>@Sriram: Hmm</p>
<p>@Bhopale: Yes they are.</p>
<p>@Indiaholic: Most politicians have no idea of whats going on. And this deal is so abstruse that it can be spun any way and noone would know the difference.</p>
<p>@DV: I love chilli chicken !</p>
<p>@Satori: All I can hope for is that crores are not spent to contain the fallout (midterm elections) of this fiasco.</p>
<p>@An Ideal Boy: Why Communism is alive in India? Yes I wonder why too.</p>
<p>@kaangeyaa : Amartya Sen may be left-leaning but I wouldnt call him a Communist per se.</p>
<p>@Whatsinaname: Thanks</p>
<p>@Ravi Ivaturi: Thanks</p>
<p>@ Ravi: I accept that Karan Thapar&#8217;s USP is not letting the other guy talk. But in this case, I dont think he was unfair to Yechury who was repeatedly trying to sidestep his question. Thapar was just insisting he answer his question.</p>
<p>@Vinay: As I said, put pressure for what? Sufficient pressure was put on the government, there were negotiations based on that, and some of them were handled.  This is deal&#8230;the other side is not going to concede everything.</p>
<p>@Atul: They are more natural allies than China and India most certainly.</p>
<p>@Anirban: The historical blunder was Jyoti Basu not being able to become the PM and get some national level contracts for son Chandan.</p>
<p>@Sam: And what end does that serve?</p>
<p>@Mohan: Unless the Left has a crystal ball stuffed somewhere else, there is no way of knowing what will happen next. Right now the US is still strong enough to justify extensive military cooperation with it, especially in the light of a common enemy, pan-Islamism and China. China, with dreams of superpowerness, will never tolerate another wannabe in its geographic zone which is why it has sought to, as a matter of policy, engage India&#8217;s rivals Pakistan. The Left supports China simply because of the idealogical fascination and perhaps some other more corporeal considerations may also play a factor.</p>
<p>@Turrtle: Shucks&#8230;what to say.</p>
<p>@Kaunteya: Nixon and Kissinger brought China back into the US fold&#8212;but its hardly been a love affair. There has been much heartburn over Chinese trade practices (the human rights abuses of course US gives two hoots for)&#8230;</p>
<p>@Paapi: Thanks</p>
<p>@Ankit: If India tests a nuclear device is a big if. Now lets assume we dont have the deal&#8212;we do not have any cooperation in any case even when we are not testing. So what do we have to lose?</p>
<p>@Kailas: I am sure they have. Karat and Yechury are intelligent people.</p>
<p>@Ishit: Hmm</p>
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		<title>By: Satori</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mohan wrote :
&quot;As for the question would the BRIC nations be competing against each other - aren’t US, Europe, Japan all developed nations today and still cooperating with each other? Think of BRIC (CARIB? if you include Arab) replacing them.&quot;

Co-operating or colluding ? The international system is run by the above. Europe bought into the system via the Marshall Plan and the Bretton Woods Agreement that set-up the World Bank and IMF. Japan got nuked and ended up paying for its own reconstruction so that the Americans benefited commercially (a familiar pattern). The UK only just paid off the Americans the money that was owed from WW2 (I think the final payment was last year). The BRICs don&#039;t have much in common, not culturally, barely politically and not much economically either until Russia joins the WTO and a true BRIC thing can happen (eg with the Doha talks, the so-called &#039;development round&#039;). Going back to the Deal - it gives the country competitive advantage which, at the moment, seems to be what gloablisation is about. A strategic alliance doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re married to them. 
Having been rabidly anti-American in the past, I can&#039;t believe I support this deal, but the US is desperate, it&#039;s giving away stuff they would never have considered giving away a few years ago. I think we should take it !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mohan wrote :<br />
&#8220;As for the question would the BRIC nations be competing against each other &#8211; aren’t US, Europe, Japan all developed nations today and still cooperating with each other? Think of BRIC (CARIB? if you include Arab) replacing them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Co-operating or colluding ? The international system is run by the above. Europe bought into the system via the Marshall Plan and the Bretton Woods Agreement that set-up the World Bank and IMF. Japan got nuked and ended up paying for its own reconstruction so that the Americans benefited commercially (a familiar pattern). The UK only just paid off the Americans the money that was owed from WW2 (I think the final payment was last year). The BRICs don&#8217;t have much in common, not culturally, barely politically and not much economically either until Russia joins the WTO and a true BRIC thing can happen (eg with the Doha talks, the so-called &#8216;development round&#8217;). Going back to the Deal &#8211; it gives the country competitive advantage which, at the moment, seems to be what gloablisation is about. A strategic alliance doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re married to them.<br />
Having been rabidly anti-American in the past, I can&#8217;t believe I support this deal, but the US is desperate, it&#8217;s giving away stuff they would never have considered giving away a few years ago. I think we should take it !</p>
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		<title>By: Sunil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Mohan,

Fully agree. Every alliance whether with the US or China should be looked at through the prism of expected cost benefit analysis. Unfortunately none of the current protagonists have come up with constructive and logical arguments to justify scuttling the deal and their opposition to the deal is entirely based on obfuscations and half truths. Under these circumstances their motivation for opposing the deal becomes suspect thereby making them susceptible to charges of treason. 

Unfortunately I still think the probability of this scenario is negligible enough to be purely speculative:

&quot;Here’s one scenario: US gets bogged down with this War on Terror dragging on for decades, their economy tanks, they lose the technological edge, their demographics also adds to the problem and at the same time China’s economy surges ahead, along with Russia, Brazil and Arab world they form an alternative alliance to west which dominates the world in 20-30 years from now.&quot;

Thanks

Sunil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mohan,</p>
<p>Fully agree. Every alliance whether with the US or China should be looked at through the prism of expected cost benefit analysis. Unfortunately none of the current protagonists have come up with constructive and logical arguments to justify scuttling the deal and their opposition to the deal is entirely based on obfuscations and half truths. Under these circumstances their motivation for opposing the deal becomes suspect thereby making them susceptible to charges of treason. </p>
<p>Unfortunately I still think the probability of this scenario is negligible enough to be purely speculative:</p>
<p>&#8220;Here’s one scenario: US gets bogged down with this War on Terror dragging on for decades, their economy tanks, they lose the technological edge, their demographics also adds to the problem and at the same time China’s economy surges ahead, along with Russia, Brazil and Arab world they form an alternative alliance to west which dominates the world in 20-30 years from now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Sunil</p>
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