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@ GB : dude , you said it really well.concise and to the point.

@ Nazim: I think govt does need to do much more and be more action oriented rather than just process oriented but keeping everyone on red alert 24-7 would simply create panic … dont you think?

@ NS : I liked what u wrote.I thank my luck for the same not god !
@Teabaggins: dude, ur take on this seems well rounded.if only we had more people thinking like you !
@S.Pyne : I hate it when people say that West( more like US) doesnt care for us! Why the hell do we want them to take care for us ? Are we less able ? Are we insufficient within ourselves? I am not saying our nation should become like an 8 year old introverted kid but we can take care of our problems ourselves though help will always be appreciated.

]]> By: Hara hara bom bom http://greatbong.net/2007/08/28/nothing-new/#comment-327857 Hara hara bom bom Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:37:29 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2007/08/28/nothing-new/#comment-327857 Hi Teabaggins, Excellent posts and wonderful attitude. I agree with everything you say except one thing : "Originally humans had to create religion in order for us to be civil towards each other". Can you please cite some examples of this? I think humans created religion in the past for many reasons, but none of them for being civil to one another : (a) Palaeolithic people created their religion as a means to fend off the unknown (night from day, life from death) (b) Neolithic men created religion to 'plead' for protection against the elements (storms and floods) and a way of contacting departed ancestors (spirit worship) (c) Bronze Age people created religion to gain power (thunder gods, storm gods, emperor gods), over elements and other men. (d) Iron Age & post-Iron Age people created religion to use that power to conquer their enemies (Multiple city states of Sumer, Assyria, Babylonia, Hittites, Magna Phonecia, Magna Graeca .. even Judaism). (e) A small bunch of people created religion to explore esoteric mysteries (Dionysian rites, Hermetic practices, Mithraism). Very small and very secretive. (f) The Judaic faith has it's genesis in (d). (g) Even Xtianity did not start out as a faith to bring all people together. It centred around a cult with a host of miracles and fabulous tales at its core. Its popularity spread like wildfire in the extremely heightened uncertainty of the Roman world after 200 CE, from its unfounded claim of assured salvation, a claim that more candid faiths did not feign. (h) Islam on the one hand offers fraternity to its members, yet consistent, brutal intra-Islamic conflicts belie this. Also, its unbelievably narrow view of non-believers demolishes any pretensions of universality. Hinduism contains all elements of the above. I like it not because I'm born in to a Hindu fold, but because it is the only faith that offers a scientific approach to spirituality. Even then, the final intention of 'most' Hindu movements is not civility towards one another, but personal salvation / bliss. Civility may be a by-product of culture, even of developed spirituality. It certainly wasn't the 'intention' of religions. Hi Teabaggins,

Excellent posts and wonderful attitude. I agree with everything you say except one thing : “Originally humans had to create religion in order for us to be civil towards each other”.

Can you please cite some examples of this? I think humans created religion in the past for many reasons, but none of them for being civil to one another :

(a) Palaeolithic people created their religion as a means to fend off the unknown (night from day, life from death)

(b) Neolithic men created religion to ‘plead’ for protection against the elements (storms and floods) and a way of contacting departed ancestors (spirit worship)

(c) Bronze Age people created religion to gain power (thunder gods, storm gods, emperor gods), over elements and other men.

(d) Iron Age & post-Iron Age people created religion to use that power to conquer their enemies (Multiple city states of Sumer, Assyria, Babylonia, Hittites, Magna Phonecia, Magna Graeca .. even Judaism).

(e) A small bunch of people created religion to explore esoteric mysteries (Dionysian rites, Hermetic practices, Mithraism). Very small and very secretive.

(f) The Judaic faith has it’s genesis in (d).

(g) Even Xtianity did not start out as a faith to bring all people together. It centred around a cult with a host of miracles and fabulous tales at its core. Its popularity spread like wildfire in the extremely heightened uncertainty of the Roman world after 200 CE, from its unfounded claim of assured salvation, a claim that more candid faiths did not feign.

(h) Islam on the one hand offers fraternity to its members, yet consistent, brutal intra-Islamic conflicts belie this. Also, its unbelievably narrow view of non-believers demolishes any pretensions of universality.

Hinduism contains all elements of the above. I like it not because I’m born in to a Hindu fold, but because it is the only faith that offers a scientific approach to spirituality. Even then, the final intention of ‘most’ Hindu movements is not civility towards one another, but personal salvation / bliss.

Civility may be a by-product of culture, even of developed spirituality. It certainly wasn’t the ‘intention’ of religions.

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