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		<title>By: Dibyo</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-674326</link>
		<dc:creator>Dibyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a NIA is going to come into existence. Lets wait and see whether this one is a failure like all other security agencies in our country or do we really mean business now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a NIA is going to come into existence. Lets wait and see whether this one is a failure like all other security agencies in our country or do we really mean business now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahim Lone</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-674266</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahim Lone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, no Asma. She is not right to call herself a Mumbaikar. It is Haram in Islam to aasociate yourself with anything else other thank Islam. So Wafa are u a Kafir, and please don&#039;t teach me Islam. Being a born Muslim i probably know the lies that you might want to tell me.
So tell us Wafa, what are u Muslim or mumbaikar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, no Asma. She is not right to call herself a Mumbaikar. It is Haram in Islam to aasociate yourself with anything else other thank Islam. So Wafa are u a Kafir, and please don&#8217;t teach me Islam. Being a born Muslim i probably know the lies that you might want to tell me.<br />
So tell us Wafa, what are u Muslim or mumbaikar?</p>
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		<title>By: aasma riaz</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-673055</link>
		<dc:creator>aasma riaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi wafa !!

i totally empathise with your emotions and feelings when you wrote to “mumbaikar”. i am a recent reader here (stumbled onto this blog after the mumbai attacks). I went through similar anguish over 3 years ago when bombs struck closer home (in delhi actually). I too tried to justify my belief in a bankrupt ideology by coming up with lies &amp; illogical excuses. I now realize that I was doing this more to convince myself than to deceive others.

my favorite chocolate-hero (shahrukh khan) said yesterday that “there are two korans – one from allah and one from mullah. Nowhere in koran does it say kill people. The paradise stories are not in koran”. Such statements are disingenuous (at best) and dangerous too. If only SRK learns to read and understand Arabic (which he does not know one bit), then he can read the koran. He will be forced to admit that allah&#039;s koran and mullah&#039;s koran are identical. But I think that SRK does not have the courage to face reality. So he will keep fooling himself and fooling others, by not reading the koran. So, srk will keep pretending to himself (and the world) that all is fine and dandy.

in your comment, you asked what can you do. I cannot force you to think but I will tell you what I did.

To tell you the truth, i left islam about 3 years ago - after a lot of initial denial, careful deliberation and difficult introspection. It finally dawned on me.
I am a practising hindu now. So I definitely believe in god (ishwar), but I don&#039;t believe in allah. So I am happy as leaving islam does not mean automatically becoming an atheist (which is hard for me).
I am not afraid of any repercussions, threats or fear of imaginary things (allah&#039;s wrath/hell-fire punishments… hehehe) etc. 

You can read my personal testimonial here (and FFI founder ali sina&#039;s patient replies to many of my points): 

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/AasmaRiaz51111.htm

cheers !!!
aasma riaz
From the most beautiful city in India (C-H-A-N-D-I-G-A-R-H....yaaay). :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi wafa !!</p>
<p>i totally empathise with your emotions and feelings when you wrote to “mumbaikar”. i am a recent reader here (stumbled onto this blog after the mumbai attacks). I went through similar anguish over 3 years ago when bombs struck closer home (in delhi actually). I too tried to justify my belief in a bankrupt ideology by coming up with lies &amp; illogical excuses. I now realize that I was doing this more to convince myself than to deceive others.</p>
<p>my favorite chocolate-hero (shahrukh khan) said yesterday that “there are two korans – one from allah and one from mullah. Nowhere in koran does it say kill people. The paradise stories are not in koran”. Such statements are disingenuous (at best) and dangerous too. If only SRK learns to read and understand Arabic (which he does not know one bit), then he can read the koran. He will be forced to admit that allah&#8217;s koran and mullah&#8217;s koran are identical. But I think that SRK does not have the courage to face reality. So he will keep fooling himself and fooling others, by not reading the koran. So, srk will keep pretending to himself (and the world) that all is fine and dandy.</p>
<p>in your comment, you asked what can you do. I cannot force you to think but I will tell you what I did.</p>
<p>To tell you the truth, i left islam about 3 years ago &#8211; after a lot of initial denial, careful deliberation and difficult introspection. It finally dawned on me.<br />
I am a practising hindu now. So I definitely believe in god (ishwar), but I don&#8217;t believe in allah. So I am happy as leaving islam does not mean automatically becoming an atheist (which is hard for me).<br />
I am not afraid of any repercussions, threats or fear of imaginary things (allah&#8217;s wrath/hell-fire punishments… hehehe) etc. </p>
<p>You can read my personal testimonial here (and FFI founder ali sina&#8217;s patient replies to many of my points): </p>
<p><a href="http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/AasmaRiaz51111.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/AasmaRiaz51111.htm</a></p>
<p>cheers !!!<br />
aasma riaz<br />
From the most beautiful city in India (C-H-A-N-D-I-G-A-R-H&#8230;.yaaay). <img src='http://greatbong.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: chattermo</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-672576</link>
		<dc:creator>chattermo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a silent reader of your blog plus the comments that are posted here.There is a lot that has been said and written on the terrorist attack that took place in Mumbai.
People have experianced multitute of emotions from shock, rage, grief empathy etc.Each of us have our own way of dealing with these emotions.
I just want to know &quot; How can I contribute to improve the situation&quot;. Been away from home for 12 years, I am a culprit too as I have never voted in the election or taken it with seriousness that it deserves. I can look for excuses but reckon we are beyond that stage now.
Lot of innocent lives were lost, we can never replace them.As someone pointed out some are more precious than others, and that is a sad relaity of our society. Media will not stop focussing on the wealthy or the social elite who have been impacted.As a rich cousin of mine pointed out &quot; now they, as in terrorists came into our living room, so we need to do something!&quot;..sad but true as few raved and raged when Mumbai train bombings took place.
I would really like to help it can be in raising some substantial amounts for the unsung waiters at Leopold cafe or the poor constables who lost their lives.I know else they will be lost in the system and their families will have to suffer even more.
I do not want to start a debate or be corrected grammatically or factually.Would be good if someone can point me in the right direction.
The other issue that haunts me is how our undeserving politicians have so much security and I can only salute our armed forces, police, NSG etc for not turning around in frustration and going berserk on these useless gits they are meant to protect.
If enough people voice their concern and anger, can we change the system where 100 plus commandoes do not get assigned to likes of Mayawati?
Hoping for some constructive suggestions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a silent reader of your blog plus the comments that are posted here.There is a lot that has been said and written on the terrorist attack that took place in Mumbai.<br />
People have experianced multitute of emotions from shock, rage, grief empathy etc.Each of us have our own way of dealing with these emotions.<br />
I just want to know &#8221; How can I contribute to improve the situation&#8221;. Been away from home for 12 years, I am a culprit too as I have never voted in the election or taken it with seriousness that it deserves. I can look for excuses but reckon we are beyond that stage now.<br />
Lot of innocent lives were lost, we can never replace them.As someone pointed out some are more precious than others, and that is a sad relaity of our society. Media will not stop focussing on the wealthy or the social elite who have been impacted.As a rich cousin of mine pointed out &#8221; now they, as in terrorists came into our living room, so we need to do something!&#8221;..sad but true as few raved and raged when Mumbai train bombings took place.<br />
I would really like to help it can be in raising some substantial amounts for the unsung waiters at Leopold cafe or the poor constables who lost their lives.I know else they will be lost in the system and their families will have to suffer even more.<br />
I do not want to start a debate or be corrected grammatically or factually.Would be good if someone can point me in the right direction.<br />
The other issue that haunts me is how our undeserving politicians have so much security and I can only salute our armed forces, police, NSG etc for not turning around in frustration and going berserk on these useless gits they are meant to protect.<br />
If enough people voice their concern and anger, can we change the system where 100 plus commandoes do not get assigned to likes of Mayawati?<br />
Hoping for some constructive suggestions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rahul Jauhari</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671719</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahul Jauhari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may wish to read my post CIVIL OBEDIENCE at http://24belvedereestate.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may wish to read my post CIVIL OBEDIENCE at <a href="http://24belvedereestate.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://24belvedereestate.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: get local</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671687</link>
		<dc:creator>get local</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Golda Meir.

I don&#039;t doubt he is lying... I am just wondering WHY is he in such a mad rush to rule out local involvement. Why can&#039;t he say he doesnt know yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Golda Meir.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt he is lying&#8230; I am just wondering WHY is he in such a mad rush to rule out local involvement. Why can&#8217;t he say he doesnt know yet?</p>
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		<title>By: cut the gravy</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671676</link>
		<dc:creator>cut the gravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way to control this terror is to disrupt the Dawaa (charity) supply chain - that links the silent supporters of Jihad with the Violent; Pakistan with the rest of the Ummah.
 
Pakistan is the  ummah&#039;s instrument of aggression against Hindu India.
Jihad is the holiest obligation in Islam, mandatory for every muslim.
It is not possible for a Arab oil baron or a Indonesian doctor to participate in Jihad, physically. They taken an easier alternative making donations (Dawaa) to  charities that finance Jihad. Pakistan, Sudan and the Indian believer are the ummah&#039;s front for Jihad.
 
The Pakistanis get the money and are obligated to produce regular results.
The glory of Mumbai blasts belong to the Ummah, (not just to Pakistan).
Everyone who contributed to Dawaa is pleased that his money is at work fulfilling his obligation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way to control this terror is to disrupt the Dawaa (charity) supply chain &#8211; that links the silent supporters of Jihad with the Violent; Pakistan with the rest of the Ummah.</p>
<p>Pakistan is the  ummah&#8217;s instrument of aggression against Hindu India.<br />
Jihad is the holiest obligation in Islam, mandatory for every muslim.<br />
It is not possible for a Arab oil baron or a Indonesian doctor to participate in Jihad, physically. They taken an easier alternative making donations (Dawaa) to  charities that finance Jihad. Pakistan, Sudan and the Indian believer are the ummah&#8217;s front for Jihad.</p>
<p>The Pakistanis get the money and are obligated to produce regular results.<br />
The glory of Mumbai blasts belong to the Ummah, (not just to Pakistan).<br />
Everyone who contributed to Dawaa is pleased that his money is at work fulfilling his obligation.</p>
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		<title>By: Hara hara bom bom</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671643</link>
		<dc:creator>Hara hara bom bom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lady has cancer. It is no longer in early stages, but it can still be treated, and with will, determination and discipline, the patient may survive.

However, the doctor is too afraid of telling his patient about her condition.  He says its a cold, and keeps prescribing 
dispirin and a few &#039;feel good&#039; drugs.  He believes this is in her best interest, as if she realises her true problem, she may be oversome with grief.

But the patient slowly deteriorates.  She suspects her diagnosis is not correct, and requests the doctor to review his conclusions. The doctor adamantly refuses to reveal the truth.

The pateint dies a painful death.  The doctor reveals her true condition to her grieving husband. The husband asks why the truth was not told in the first place?  Then she would have had a fighting chance to live.

The doctor shrugs and gets on with his life in apathy and nonchalence.  There is anotehr cancer patient he has to administer dispirin to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lady has cancer. It is no longer in early stages, but it can still be treated, and with will, determination and discipline, the patient may survive.</p>
<p>However, the doctor is too afraid of telling his patient about her condition.  He says its a cold, and keeps prescribing<br />
dispirin and a few &#8216;feel good&#8217; drugs.  He believes this is in her best interest, as if she realises her true problem, she may be oversome with grief.</p>
<p>But the patient slowly deteriorates.  She suspects her diagnosis is not correct, and requests the doctor to review his conclusions. The doctor adamantly refuses to reveal the truth.</p>
<p>The pateint dies a painful death.  The doctor reveals her true condition to her grieving husband. The husband asks why the truth was not told in the first place?  Then she would have had a fighting chance to live.</p>
<p>The doctor shrugs and gets on with his life in apathy and nonchalence.  There is anotehr cancer patient he has to administer dispirin to.</p>
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		<title>By: Nupur</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671574</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>probably the most analytical and tothepoint opinion ive read so far on these attacks! btw some newspaper in india printed that we should always think in terms of &#039;WWID?&#039; (What Would Israel Do?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probably the most analytical and tothepoint opinion ive read so far on these attacks! btw some newspaper in india printed that we should always think in terms of &#8216;WWID?&#8217; (What Would Israel Do?)</p>
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		<title>By: Golda Meir</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671565</link>
		<dc:creator>Golda Meir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get Local,

The Mumbai Police Chief, Hasan Ghafoor, is lying when he is denying that the Jihadis had any local support.

See this news report:

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1211593&amp;pageid=0

&lt;b&gt; Mumbai terror probe suggests extensive local support network in India &lt;/b&gt;

Josy Joseph, Friday, December 05, 2008 

Links seen between Mumbai attack and raid on IISC in 2005 

NEW DELHI: Investigators have fanned out across India to check out several leads available from the Mumbai attacks. The information gathered so far indicates the existence of a massive secretive network with tentacles in Delhi, Kolkata, Bangalore, Dhaka, and elsewhere.

In Delhi and Kolkata, investigators are trying to find out who bought the SIM cards that were later recovered from the slain terrorists in Mumbai. Sources said the Kolkata police have identified at least two youths who may have bought SIM cards in West Bengal. They are believed to have bought the cards from three different places using a fake voter’s identity card in the name of Hossain Ur Rahman. In Delhi, investigators are looking at shops in Karol Bagh from where the SIM cards were bought. 

The jigsaw being put together suggests the terror attacks mounted by Pakistan-based youths had strong support from a homegrown network. The same network may have been involved in recent strikes. Though it is not a cohesive group, the network 
comprises several former Simi (Students Islamic Movement of India) members with a strong base in Hyderabad and other parts of South India. The group has deep linkages with the Lashkar-e-Taiba, which has since denied involvement in the attacks. This group is influenced by Taliban and al-Qaeda ideology. 

Suspicions about this group, which for some time has been calling itself Indian Mujahideen, have been firmed up by links emerging between the latest Mumbai attacks 
and the 2005 attack on the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore.

The networks of Shahid Bilal, a Hyderabad resident who was killed in Pakistan some time ago, and Riazuddin Nasir, his close associate who was arrested in Karnataka, had joined hands with a faction of Simi and other like-minded youths to create a network of India’s most formidable terror supporters. This group is believed to have carried out several bombings in Indian cities and assisted in the attacks on the IISc, mostly under the banner of Indian Mujahideen. The Mumbai attacks were carried out under the banner of Deccan Mujahideen.

Sources said Abu Hamza, who escaped after the December 28, 2005, attack on the IISc, was a key motivator for the 10-member terror group that attacked Mumbai. They were convinced by Hamza that it was easy to fool the Indian police and escape back to Pakistan, according to arrested terrorist Ajmal Kasab, now in the custody of the Mumbai Police.

Investigators believe that the Lashkar-e-Taiba’s Dhaka-based operatives obtained the Indian SIM cards and supplied them for use during the attacks. The terrorists were also provided with SIM cards from Austria and the US. Besides, several GPS systems and a Thuraya satellite phone were in the possession of the terrorists, according to a source.

The investigators are also combing through several leads pointing to the possible involvement of the underworld, especially smuggling gangs, in organising logistical support for the terror group. The customs department has for the past few months been investigating the massive smuggling of diesel and other items by a group of Dawood Ibrahim henchmen, especially one led by a Colaba-based customs clearing agent. His son and the son’s employees are being investigated.

As of now, the most noticeable challenge for the investigators is to find out the extent of local support made available to the terrorists. “We still haven’t made a breakthrough,” said a senior official. He said unless the local contacts are unearthed, it would be difficult to get at the full truth behind the conspiracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get Local,</p>
<p>The Mumbai Police Chief, Hasan Ghafoor, is lying when he is denying that the Jihadis had any local support.</p>
<p>See this news report:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1211593&#038;pageid=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1211593&#038;pageid=0</a></p>
<p><b> Mumbai terror probe suggests extensive local support network in India </b></p>
<p>Josy Joseph, Friday, December 05, 2008 </p>
<p>Links seen between Mumbai attack and raid on IISC in 2005 </p>
<p>NEW DELHI: Investigators have fanned out across India to check out several leads available from the Mumbai attacks. The information gathered so far indicates the existence of a massive secretive network with tentacles in Delhi, Kolkata, Bangalore, Dhaka, and elsewhere.</p>
<p>In Delhi and Kolkata, investigators are trying to find out who bought the SIM cards that were later recovered from the slain terrorists in Mumbai. Sources said the Kolkata police have identified at least two youths who may have bought SIM cards in West Bengal. They are believed to have bought the cards from three different places using a fake voter’s identity card in the name of Hossain Ur Rahman. In Delhi, investigators are looking at shops in Karol Bagh from where the SIM cards were bought. </p>
<p>The jigsaw being put together suggests the terror attacks mounted by Pakistan-based youths had strong support from a homegrown network. The same network may have been involved in recent strikes. Though it is not a cohesive group, the network<br />
comprises several former Simi (Students Islamic Movement of India) members with a strong base in Hyderabad and other parts of South India. The group has deep linkages with the Lashkar-e-Taiba, which has since denied involvement in the attacks. This group is influenced by Taliban and al-Qaeda ideology. </p>
<p>Suspicions about this group, which for some time has been calling itself Indian Mujahideen, have been firmed up by links emerging between the latest Mumbai attacks<br />
and the 2005 attack on the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore.</p>
<p>The networks of Shahid Bilal, a Hyderabad resident who was killed in Pakistan some time ago, and Riazuddin Nasir, his close associate who was arrested in Karnataka, had joined hands with a faction of Simi and other like-minded youths to create a network of India’s most formidable terror supporters. This group is believed to have carried out several bombings in Indian cities and assisted in the attacks on the IISc, mostly under the banner of Indian Mujahideen. The Mumbai attacks were carried out under the banner of Deccan Mujahideen.</p>
<p>Sources said Abu Hamza, who escaped after the December 28, 2005, attack on the IISc, was a key motivator for the 10-member terror group that attacked Mumbai. They were convinced by Hamza that it was easy to fool the Indian police and escape back to Pakistan, according to arrested terrorist Ajmal Kasab, now in the custody of the Mumbai Police.</p>
<p>Investigators believe that the Lashkar-e-Taiba’s Dhaka-based operatives obtained the Indian SIM cards and supplied them for use during the attacks. The terrorists were also provided with SIM cards from Austria and the US. Besides, several GPS systems and a Thuraya satellite phone were in the possession of the terrorists, according to a source.</p>
<p>The investigators are also combing through several leads pointing to the possible involvement of the underworld, especially smuggling gangs, in organising logistical support for the terror group. The customs department has for the past few months been investigating the massive smuggling of diesel and other items by a group of Dawood Ibrahim henchmen, especially one led by a Colaba-based customs clearing agent. His son and the son’s employees are being investigated.</p>
<p>As of now, the most noticeable challenge for the investigators is to find out the extent of local support made available to the terrorists. “We still haven’t made a breakthrough,” said a senior official. He said unless the local contacts are unearthed, it would be difficult to get at the full truth behind the conspiracy.</p>
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