Comments on: The Way Forward http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/ Wed, 23 May 2012 17:08:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Anonymous http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-1143473 Anonymous Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:59:18 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-1143473 They couldn't have done it without the help from within. The people who help them from within are held hostage to them psycologically by their common bond of religion. The ghetto-minded muslims feel victimized by EVERY non-islamic rule they have to follow. Its very similar to the way slum dwellers pledge allegience to outlaws because their immediate needs are met or the way Christian missionaries win "hearts" of the marginalized masses by showing how scary Hindu gods are and how handsome Jesus Christ looks. However, the radical jihadi infiltration is most insidious in nature. The other examples pose a problem to law-makers and existing religions by causing destabalization of the society. The islamic terrorism not only causes destabalization of a society, but it seeks to destroy soverignity of a country and the very spirit of the nation using religion as a lethal weapon. To their luck (radical islamists), no other minority (except a few christian organizations) shouts as loud as a muslim minority in a non-muslim majority. and the Indian brand of secularism is like music to their ears. My heart is bleeding as I think of the way Indians are attacked by not just the terrorists, but by the international media and their Indian media slaves while our government continues to be the proverbial absentee parent. They couldn’t have done it without the help from within. The people who help them from within are held hostage to them psycologically by their common bond of religion. The ghetto-minded muslims feel victimized by EVERY non-islamic rule they have to follow.

Its very similar to the way slum dwellers pledge allegience to outlaws because their immediate needs are met or the way Christian missionaries win “hearts” of the marginalized masses by showing how scary Hindu gods are and how handsome Jesus Christ looks.

However, the radical jihadi infiltration is most insidious in nature. The other examples pose a problem to law-makers and existing religions by causing destabalization of the society. The islamic terrorism not only causes destabalization of a society, but it seeks to destroy soverignity of a country and the very spirit of the nation using religion as a lethal weapon.

To their luck (radical islamists), no other minority (except a few christian organizations) shouts as loud as a muslim minority in a non-muslim majority.
and the Indian brand of secularism is like music to their ears.

My heart is bleeding as I think of the way Indians are attacked by not just the terrorists, but by the international media and their Indian media slaves while our government continues to be the proverbial absentee parent.

]]> By: Dibyo http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-674326 Dibyo Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:19:25 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-674326 Looks like a NIA is going to come into existence. Lets wait and see whether this one is a failure like all other security agencies in our country or do we really mean business now. Looks like a NIA is going to come into existence. Lets wait and see whether this one is a failure like all other security agencies in our country or do we really mean business now.

]]> By: Ibrahim Lone http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-674266 Ibrahim Lone Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:24:59 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-674266 Oh, no Asma. She is not right to call herself a Mumbaikar. It is Haram in Islam to aasociate yourself with anything else other thank Islam. So Wafa are u a Kafir, and please don't teach me Islam. Being a born Muslim i probably know the lies that you might want to tell me. So tell us Wafa, what are u Muslim or mumbaikar? Oh, no Asma. She is not right to call herself a Mumbaikar. It is Haram in Islam to aasociate yourself with anything else other thank Islam. So Wafa are u a Kafir, and please don’t teach me Islam. Being a born Muslim i probably know the lies that you might want to tell me.
So tell us Wafa, what are u Muslim or mumbaikar?

]]> By: aasma riaz http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-673055 aasma riaz Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:23:34 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-673055 hi wafa !! i totally empathise with your emotions and feelings when you wrote to “mumbaikar”. i am a recent reader here (stumbled onto this blog after the mumbai attacks). I went through similar anguish over 3 years ago when bombs struck closer home (in delhi actually). I too tried to justify my belief in a bankrupt ideology by coming up with lies & illogical excuses. I now realize that I was doing this more to convince myself than to deceive others. my favorite chocolate-hero (shahrukh khan) said yesterday that “there are two korans – one from allah and one from mullah. Nowhere in koran does it say kill people. The paradise stories are not in koran”. Such statements are disingenuous (at best) and dangerous too. If only SRK learns to read and understand Arabic (which he does not know one bit), then he can read the koran. He will be forced to admit that allah's koran and mullah's koran are identical. But I think that SRK does not have the courage to face reality. So he will keep fooling himself and fooling others, by not reading the koran. So, srk will keep pretending to himself (and the world) that all is fine and dandy. in your comment, you asked what can you do. I cannot force you to think but I will tell you what I did. To tell you the truth, i left islam about 3 years ago - after a lot of initial denial, careful deliberation and difficult introspection. It finally dawned on me. I am a practising hindu now. So I definitely believe in god (ishwar), but I don't believe in allah. So I am happy as leaving islam does not mean automatically becoming an atheist (which is hard for me). I am not afraid of any repercussions, threats or fear of imaginary things (allah's wrath/hell-fire punishments… hehehe) etc. You can read my personal testimonial here (and FFI founder ali sina's patient replies to many of my points): http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/AasmaRiaz51111.htm cheers !!! aasma riaz From the most beautiful city in India (C-H-A-N-D-I-G-A-R-H....yaaay). :) hi wafa !!

i totally empathise with your emotions and feelings when you wrote to “mumbaikar”. i am a recent reader here (stumbled onto this blog after the mumbai attacks). I went through similar anguish over 3 years ago when bombs struck closer home (in delhi actually). I too tried to justify my belief in a bankrupt ideology by coming up with lies & illogical excuses. I now realize that I was doing this more to convince myself than to deceive others.

my favorite chocolate-hero (shahrukh khan) said yesterday that “there are two korans – one from allah and one from mullah. Nowhere in koran does it say kill people. The paradise stories are not in koran”. Such statements are disingenuous (at best) and dangerous too. If only SRK learns to read and understand Arabic (which he does not know one bit), then he can read the koran. He will be forced to admit that allah’s koran and mullah’s koran are identical. But I think that SRK does not have the courage to face reality. So he will keep fooling himself and fooling others, by not reading the koran. So, srk will keep pretending to himself (and the world) that all is fine and dandy.

in your comment, you asked what can you do. I cannot force you to think but I will tell you what I did.

To tell you the truth, i left islam about 3 years ago – after a lot of initial denial, careful deliberation and difficult introspection. It finally dawned on me.
I am a practising hindu now. So I definitely believe in god (ishwar), but I don’t believe in allah. So I am happy as leaving islam does not mean automatically becoming an atheist (which is hard for me).
I am not afraid of any repercussions, threats or fear of imaginary things (allah’s wrath/hell-fire punishments… hehehe) etc.

You can read my personal testimonial here (and FFI founder ali sina’s patient replies to many of my points):

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/AasmaRiaz51111.htm

cheers !!!
aasma riaz
From the most beautiful city in India (C-H-A-N-D-I-G-A-R-H….yaaay). :)

]]> By: chattermo http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-672576 chattermo Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:16:47 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-672576 I have been a silent reader of your blog plus the comments that are posted here.There is a lot that has been said and written on the terrorist attack that took place in Mumbai. People have experianced multitute of emotions from shock, rage, grief empathy etc.Each of us have our own way of dealing with these emotions. I just want to know " How can I contribute to improve the situation". Been away from home for 12 years, I am a culprit too as I have never voted in the election or taken it with seriousness that it deserves. I can look for excuses but reckon we are beyond that stage now. Lot of innocent lives were lost, we can never replace them.As someone pointed out some are more precious than others, and that is a sad relaity of our society. Media will not stop focussing on the wealthy or the social elite who have been impacted.As a rich cousin of mine pointed out " now they, as in terrorists came into our living room, so we need to do something!"..sad but true as few raved and raged when Mumbai train bombings took place. I would really like to help it can be in raising some substantial amounts for the unsung waiters at Leopold cafe or the poor constables who lost their lives.I know else they will be lost in the system and their families will have to suffer even more. I do not want to start a debate or be corrected grammatically or factually.Would be good if someone can point me in the right direction. The other issue that haunts me is how our undeserving politicians have so much security and I can only salute our armed forces, police, NSG etc for not turning around in frustration and going berserk on these useless gits they are meant to protect. If enough people voice their concern and anger, can we change the system where 100 plus commandoes do not get assigned to likes of Mayawati? Hoping for some constructive suggestions... I have been a silent reader of your blog plus the comments that are posted here.There is a lot that has been said and written on the terrorist attack that took place in Mumbai.
People have experianced multitute of emotions from shock, rage, grief empathy etc.Each of us have our own way of dealing with these emotions.
I just want to know ” How can I contribute to improve the situation”. Been away from home for 12 years, I am a culprit too as I have never voted in the election or taken it with seriousness that it deserves. I can look for excuses but reckon we are beyond that stage now.
Lot of innocent lives were lost, we can never replace them.As someone pointed out some are more precious than others, and that is a sad relaity of our society. Media will not stop focussing on the wealthy or the social elite who have been impacted.As a rich cousin of mine pointed out ” now they, as in terrorists came into our living room, so we need to do something!”..sad but true as few raved and raged when Mumbai train bombings took place.
I would really like to help it can be in raising some substantial amounts for the unsung waiters at Leopold cafe or the poor constables who lost their lives.I know else they will be lost in the system and their families will have to suffer even more.
I do not want to start a debate or be corrected grammatically or factually.Would be good if someone can point me in the right direction.
The other issue that haunts me is how our undeserving politicians have so much security and I can only salute our armed forces, police, NSG etc for not turning around in frustration and going berserk on these useless gits they are meant to protect.
If enough people voice their concern and anger, can we change the system where 100 plus commandoes do not get assigned to likes of Mayawati?
Hoping for some constructive suggestions…

]]> By: Rahul Jauhari http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671719 Rahul Jauhari Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:36:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671719 You may wish to read my post CIVIL OBEDIENCE at http://24belvedereestate.blogspot.com/ You may wish to read my post CIVIL OBEDIENCE at http://24belvedereestate.blogspot.com/

]]> By: get local http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671687 get local Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:34:36 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671687 @ Golda Meir. I don't doubt he is lying... I am just wondering WHY is he in such a mad rush to rule out local involvement. Why can't he say he doesnt know yet? @ Golda Meir.

I don’t doubt he is lying… I am just wondering WHY is he in such a mad rush to rule out local involvement. Why can’t he say he doesnt know yet?

]]> By: cut the gravy http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671676 cut the gravy Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:05:00 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671676 One way to control this terror is to disrupt the Dawaa (charity) supply chain - that links the silent supporters of Jihad with the Violent; Pakistan with the rest of the Ummah. Pakistan is the ummah's instrument of aggression against Hindu India. Jihad is the holiest obligation in Islam, mandatory for every muslim. It is not possible for a Arab oil baron or a Indonesian doctor to participate in Jihad, physically. They taken an easier alternative making donations (Dawaa) to charities that finance Jihad. Pakistan, Sudan and the Indian believer are the ummah's front for Jihad. The Pakistanis get the money and are obligated to produce regular results. The glory of Mumbai blasts belong to the Ummah, (not just to Pakistan). Everyone who contributed to Dawaa is pleased that his money is at work fulfilling his obligation. One way to control this terror is to disrupt the Dawaa (charity) supply chain – that links the silent supporters of Jihad with the Violent; Pakistan with the rest of the Ummah.

Pakistan is the ummah’s instrument of aggression against Hindu India.
Jihad is the holiest obligation in Islam, mandatory for every muslim.
It is not possible for a Arab oil baron or a Indonesian doctor to participate in Jihad, physically. They taken an easier alternative making donations (Dawaa) to charities that finance Jihad. Pakistan, Sudan and the Indian believer are the ummah’s front for Jihad.

The Pakistanis get the money and are obligated to produce regular results.
The glory of Mumbai blasts belong to the Ummah, (not just to Pakistan).
Everyone who contributed to Dawaa is pleased that his money is at work fulfilling his obligation.

]]> By: Hara hara bom bom http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671643 Hara hara bom bom Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:44:35 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671643 A lady has cancer. It is no longer in early stages, but it can still be treated, and with will, determination and discipline, the patient may survive. However, the doctor is too afraid of telling his patient about her condition. He says its a cold, and keeps prescribing dispirin and a few 'feel good' drugs. He believes this is in her best interest, as if she realises her true problem, she may be oversome with grief. But the patient slowly deteriorates. She suspects her diagnosis is not correct, and requests the doctor to review his conclusions. The doctor adamantly refuses to reveal the truth. The pateint dies a painful death. The doctor reveals her true condition to her grieving husband. The husband asks why the truth was not told in the first place? Then she would have had a fighting chance to live. The doctor shrugs and gets on with his life in apathy and nonchalence. There is anotehr cancer patient he has to administer dispirin to. A lady has cancer. It is no longer in early stages, but it can still be treated, and with will, determination and discipline, the patient may survive.

However, the doctor is too afraid of telling his patient about her condition. He says its a cold, and keeps prescribing
dispirin and a few ‘feel good’ drugs. He believes this is in her best interest, as if she realises her true problem, she may be oversome with grief.

But the patient slowly deteriorates. She suspects her diagnosis is not correct, and requests the doctor to review his conclusions. The doctor adamantly refuses to reveal the truth.

The pateint dies a painful death. The doctor reveals her true condition to her grieving husband. The husband asks why the truth was not told in the first place? Then she would have had a fighting chance to live.

The doctor shrugs and gets on with his life in apathy and nonchalence. There is anotehr cancer patient he has to administer dispirin to.

]]> By: Nupur http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671574 Nupur Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:09:08 +0000 http://greatbong.net/2008/11/30/the-way-forward/#comment-671574 probably the most analytical and tothepoint opinion ive read so far on these attacks! btw some newspaper in india printed that we should always think in terms of 'WWID?' (What Would Israel Do?) probably the most analytical and tothepoint opinion ive read so far on these attacks! btw some newspaper in india printed that we should always think in terms of ‘WWID?’ (What Would Israel Do?)

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