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		<title>By: Hriday</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/01/17/of-ray-and-boyle/#comment-806707</link>
		<dc:creator>Hriday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally! 

I had read the piece by Mr. Bachan and was livid at it. Apart from my personal feeling that he is not the greatest actor of our country, I was outraged as to how someone who is just an actor and who has done truck loads of crap movies in his own career, can take potshots at an auteur so supremely talented as Ray.

The problem is that once we elevate people to the status of demi-gods, they are ready to dish out shit on whomever they please. Glad someone brought this out. Nice work, man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally! </p>
<p>I had read the piece by Mr. Bachan and was livid at it. Apart from my personal feeling that he is not the greatest actor of our country, I was outraged as to how someone who is just an actor and who has done truck loads of crap movies in his own career, can take potshots at an auteur so supremely talented as Ray.</p>
<p>The problem is that once we elevate people to the status of demi-gods, they are ready to dish out shit on whomever they please. Glad someone brought this out. Nice work, man!</p>
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		<title>By: ho</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/01/17/of-ray-and-boyle/#comment-693935</link>
		<dc:creator>ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand what people&#039;s obsession with realism is all about. You know what&#039;s another word for realistic? Boring. If I wanted realism, I&#039;d walk down the street to get Mexican food, and maybe stop by a Borders and pick up some magazines. You know why they don&#039;t make movies about me shopping for magazines? That&#039;s because nobody gives a shit. And that&#039;s what ray&#039;s movies are : me shopping for magazines, with no Mexican food. Everyone always thinks that directors are super smart if they use symbolism, like somehow conveying something visually gives the movie some validity it wouldn&#039;t have had if the same message was conveyed through dialogue alone. But nobody ever asks: why? Why do pretentious artsy dipshits think symbolism is the holy grail of filmmaking? If you took the symbolism out of the movie, would it make any difference? That&#039;s a rhetorical question, and the answer is my fist. Nobody cares about artsy gimmicks. Focus on making the movie not suck instead, assholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what people&#8217;s obsession with realism is all about. You know what&#8217;s another word for realistic? Boring. If I wanted realism, I&#8217;d walk down the street to get Mexican food, and maybe stop by a Borders and pick up some magazines. You know why they don&#8217;t make movies about me shopping for magazines? That&#8217;s because nobody gives a shit. And that&#8217;s what ray&#8217;s movies are : me shopping for magazines, with no Mexican food. Everyone always thinks that directors are super smart if they use symbolism, like somehow conveying something visually gives the movie some validity it wouldn&#8217;t have had if the same message was conveyed through dialogue alone. But nobody ever asks: why? Why do pretentious artsy dipshits think symbolism is the holy grail of filmmaking? If you took the symbolism out of the movie, would it make any difference? That&#8217;s a rhetorical question, and the answer is my fist. Nobody cares about artsy gimmicks. Focus on making the movie not suck instead, assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: Pankaj Roy</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/01/17/of-ray-and-boyle/#comment-691688</link>
		<dc:creator>Pankaj Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From The Telegraph article: &quot;The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences conferred the honorary award on Satyajit Ray on April 23, 1992.&quot; &amp; &quot;He had really wanted to go and he was very sad that he couldn’t. He was 91.&quot;

Don&#039;t they have a copy editor at Telegraph?  Ray was 71, not 91.  The award wasn&#039;t conferred to him on April 23 1992.  That was the day he died.  The award ceremony was on March 30th, &amp; his televised acceptance speech at Belle Vue would have been shot earlier than that. 

These are basic fact checking errors that 2 minutes of Googling can correct!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From The Telegraph article: &#8220;The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences conferred the honorary award on Satyajit Ray on April 23, 1992.&#8221; &amp; &#8220;He had really wanted to go and he was very sad that he couldn’t. He was 91.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t they have a copy editor at Telegraph?  Ray was 71, not 91.  The award wasn&#8217;t conferred to him on April 23 1992.  That was the day he died.  The award ceremony was on March 30th, &amp; his televised acceptance speech at Belle Vue would have been shot earlier than that. </p>
<p>These are basic fact checking errors that 2 minutes of Googling can correct!</p>
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		<title>By: yourfan2</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/01/17/of-ray-and-boyle/#comment-691673</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Raghu</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/01/17/of-ray-and-boyle/#comment-689864</link>
		<dc:creator>Raghu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definition of intellectual : Take the path which is not taken by common man. 

All you intellectuals: Have you seen Lage Raho Munnabhai? This movie has done what even Gandhi himself could not do. That explains it all. Whatever be the art, if it inspires and touches mass, it is effective. 

I saw Pather Panchali. Did not like even 1 minute of it. I am a common man, who takes things as they come. Not in a particular perspective. I never tried any other Ray&#039;s movies after that!!!

Yes, I am the biggest fan of Hum Aapke Hain Kaun. I know everyone will say, what  a silly guy. Same to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definition of intellectual : Take the path which is not taken by common man. </p>
<p>All you intellectuals: Have you seen Lage Raho Munnabhai? This movie has done what even Gandhi himself could not do. That explains it all. Whatever be the art, if it inspires and touches mass, it is effective. </p>
<p>I saw Pather Panchali. Did not like even 1 minute of it. I am a common man, who takes things as they come. Not in a particular perspective. I never tried any other Ray&#8217;s movies after that!!!</p>
<p>Yes, I am the biggest fan of Hum Aapke Hain Kaun. I know everyone will say, what  a silly guy. Same to you.</p>
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		<title>By: David Smith</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/01/17/of-ray-and-boyle/#comment-686942</link>
		<dc:creator>David Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, what on earth do you understand about Cannes or the Academy Awards, you who have been brought up with the most degrading and ridiculous movies ever, that only ridicule Indian people to the rest of the world?

I find it very interesting that several Indians find the love thread through the movie slumdog millionaire as “illogical” and difficult to understand. As a westerner, I don’t find long lasting or deep love for another person difficult to understand at all. It happens a lot in our society. Clearly it seldom happens in yours. I also don&#039;t find it difficult to conceive that poor people can love just as intensely and that they too are human. The strange view from Indians about this movie must mean that too many Indians are simply incapable to love in that way, and are rather cold hearted.

I am sure the concept of 1) undying love, 2) lasting love, 3) successful love, 4) love for a girl who is not a virgin - are not at all India, but something that could only be a reality in the west. This is why a western audience likes the story in the film, and can accept it and identify with it and see beyond the surface that it only depicts poverty, while in India love and humanness seem very poorly understood and the people only see poverty when they see the film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, what on earth do you understand about Cannes or the Academy Awards, you who have been brought up with the most degrading and ridiculous movies ever, that only ridicule Indian people to the rest of the world?</p>
<p>I find it very interesting that several Indians find the love thread through the movie slumdog millionaire as “illogical” and difficult to understand. As a westerner, I don’t find long lasting or deep love for another person difficult to understand at all. It happens a lot in our society. Clearly it seldom happens in yours. I also don&#8217;t find it difficult to conceive that poor people can love just as intensely and that they too are human. The strange view from Indians about this movie must mean that too many Indians are simply incapable to love in that way, and are rather cold hearted.</p>
<p>I am sure the concept of 1) undying love, 2) lasting love, 3) successful love, 4) love for a girl who is not a virgin &#8211; are not at all India, but something that could only be a reality in the west. This is why a western audience likes the story in the film, and can accept it and identify with it and see beyond the surface that it only depicts poverty, while in India love and humanness seem very poorly understood and the people only see poverty when they see the film.</p>
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		<title>By: wingedream</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/01/17/of-ray-and-boyle/#comment-686745</link>
		<dc:creator>wingedream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will “Slumdog”or Adiga’s White Tiger be the new face of Apu’s World?

Will it be irreverent of Ray, the iconic Film maker or of the new techie children who no longer hold in awe the huffing and puffing Train a-la apu and durga?

Is there a continuity in these dissimilar worlds or its mere suggestion is blasphemous?

Have we managed to take Ray out of Bengal to the other parts of India, yet?what about sub titles or dubbing in Hindi?
or are the “bongs only” celebrating in blissful isolation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will “Slumdog”or Adiga’s White Tiger be the new face of Apu’s World?</p>
<p>Will it be irreverent of Ray, the iconic Film maker or of the new techie children who no longer hold in awe the huffing and puffing Train a-la apu and durga?</p>
<p>Is there a continuity in these dissimilar worlds or its mere suggestion is blasphemous?</p>
<p>Have we managed to take Ray out of Bengal to the other parts of India, yet?what about sub titles or dubbing in Hindi?<br />
or are the “bongs only” celebrating in blissful isolation?</p>
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		<title>By: ssri</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/01/17/of-ray-and-boyle/#comment-682415</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 04:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Phew&quot; -- I think you need to get a life. One should not even speak of Slumdog and Ray in the same breath. Slumdog is totally commercial, over-dramatized, absolutely unsubtle saga of unrealistic heroism. It has some slick editing and some brilliant music, agreed. It also has some good cinematography, nothing innovative though. But before making any comparisons (if there exist any), watch Ray, and try to understand it. In simplicity lies greatness. In abstract lies art. You don&#039;t stun audience by throwing unexpected scenes at them every split second. You daze them by leaving them in mind-blowing afterthought, after the movie is over. Afterthought about characters, actions, sequences, consequences! But of course, if you are of the genre of people who thinks Slumdog is great movie, then well, who am I even trying to talk to?

Btw, I am not connected to Bengal even remotely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Phew&#8221; &#8212; I think you need to get a life. One should not even speak of Slumdog and Ray in the same breath. Slumdog is totally commercial, over-dramatized, absolutely unsubtle saga of unrealistic heroism. It has some slick editing and some brilliant music, agreed. It also has some good cinematography, nothing innovative though. But before making any comparisons (if there exist any), watch Ray, and try to understand it. In simplicity lies greatness. In abstract lies art. You don&#8217;t stun audience by throwing unexpected scenes at them every split second. You daze them by leaving them in mind-blowing afterthought, after the movie is over. Afterthought about characters, actions, sequences, consequences! But of course, if you are of the genre of people who thinks Slumdog is great movie, then well, who am I even trying to talk to?</p>
<p>Btw, I am not connected to Bengal even remotely.</p>
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		<title>By: Hara hara bom bom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hara hara bom bom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Above comment was mine.  Missed my name on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Above comment was mine.  Missed my name on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Phew : You Bengalis need to get a life. 

Darn it Phew, now you&#039;ve esposed it.  For hundreds of years Bengalis merrily existed with no semblance of life whatsoever.  We thought no one would notice, and would wink at fellow Bongs on the silent success of our conspiratorial subterfuge.

And now you some along with your exposures and ruin it for all of us Bongs.  Narokeo tomaar tthain milbe na, hotocchara.

@ Phew : Like Pavlovian rats, mention Ray, mention Tagore, mention Subash Chandra Bose and you shall all come charging out like the light brigade. 

You are so right.  An overlooked fact is the contribution of Pavlovian rats in the Crimean campaign.  The complex relationship of Lord Lucan, Raglan and Cardigan with the British forces that led to the light brigade charge is miniscule compared to the contribution of the rats, who played a vital role at the defence of Inkerman Hill too. Tennyson immortalised the role of these noble creatures in his epic poem, but the lines were deleted by the wily Bengalis.  No doubt of the Brahmin mien.

@ Phew - There is no parallel of your ilk in the country. 

Oh I don&#039;t know.  Mention the BJP in a positive light, and you suddenly see frenzied people thronging around you at the drop of a hat, dancing around menacingly and arhythmically in a most disturbing manner.  Mention the contributions of the RSS and suddenly hordes of angry humans emerge from nowhere and start flexing their biceps angrily at you as if you&#039;ve knowingly peed in to their payesh... have you seen the muscles on some of those shondamarkaa housewives? Scary. And hairy !!

@ Phew - Truth is after all nothing but a conveniently moulded perception!

No, truth is truth.  Indians are getting indignant, and rightfully so at the carefully cultivated misperception of India being shrilly peddled as fact. They want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the triuth to be told.  What is wrong with that?

@ Phew - When Ray does it, there is human spirit, when Boyle does it he manipulates. 

Well, let us take the topic of nud*ty.  The bareness displayed in the Venus de Milo, Apollo of Belvedere &amp; bare-breast*d Didarganj Yakshi, is in such a completely different league to that displayed in the centre-spread of Raz*le magazine, that they cannot be compared in the same breath.

So my friends&#039; freeflowing appreciation of the immaculate beauty of of human sculpture conveyed in my photos of Venus, Apollo and Didarganj Yakhsi, is of a completely different order, nature and universe to that of a pubescent boy expressing his &#039;freeflowing&#039; appreciation with a copy of Razzle.

Do you see the distinction?  Ray deals with the tragedy of poverty, the poetry of destitution, and the realistic nobility of people experiencing them.  This is the sublime art of poverty.

Boyle wallows in faeces. This is the vile pornogra*hy of poverty.

@ Phew - And yes, Bollywood has to be crap.

No, it doesn&#039;t &#039;have&#039; to be. Not always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Phew : You Bengalis need to get a life. </p>
<p>Darn it Phew, now you&#8217;ve esposed it.  For hundreds of years Bengalis merrily existed with no semblance of life whatsoever.  We thought no one would notice, and would wink at fellow Bongs on the silent success of our conspiratorial subterfuge.</p>
<p>And now you some along with your exposures and ruin it for all of us Bongs.  Narokeo tomaar tthain milbe na, hotocchara.</p>
<p>@ Phew : Like Pavlovian rats, mention Ray, mention Tagore, mention Subash Chandra Bose and you shall all come charging out like the light brigade. </p>
<p>You are so right.  An overlooked fact is the contribution of Pavlovian rats in the Crimean campaign.  The complex relationship of Lord Lucan, Raglan and Cardigan with the British forces that led to the light brigade charge is miniscule compared to the contribution of the rats, who played a vital role at the defence of Inkerman Hill too. Tennyson immortalised the role of these noble creatures in his epic poem, but the lines were deleted by the wily Bengalis.  No doubt of the Brahmin mien.</p>
<p>@ Phew &#8211; There is no parallel of your ilk in the country. </p>
<p>Oh I don&#8217;t know.  Mention the BJP in a positive light, and you suddenly see frenzied people thronging around you at the drop of a hat, dancing around menacingly and arhythmically in a most disturbing manner.  Mention the contributions of the RSS and suddenly hordes of angry humans emerge from nowhere and start flexing their biceps angrily at you as if you&#8217;ve knowingly peed in to their payesh&#8230; have you seen the muscles on some of those shondamarkaa housewives? Scary. And hairy !!</p>
<p>@ Phew &#8211; Truth is after all nothing but a conveniently moulded perception!</p>
<p>No, truth is truth.  Indians are getting indignant, and rightfully so at the carefully cultivated misperception of India being shrilly peddled as fact. They want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the triuth to be told.  What is wrong with that?</p>
<p>@ Phew &#8211; When Ray does it, there is human spirit, when Boyle does it he manipulates. </p>
<p>Well, let us take the topic of nud*ty.  The bareness displayed in the Venus de Milo, Apollo of Belvedere &amp; bare-breast*d Didarganj Yakshi, is in such a completely different league to that displayed in the centre-spread of Raz*le magazine, that they cannot be compared in the same breath.</p>
<p>So my friends&#8217; freeflowing appreciation of the immaculate beauty of of human sculpture conveyed in my photos of Venus, Apollo and Didarganj Yakhsi, is of a completely different order, nature and universe to that of a pubescent boy expressing his &#8216;freeflowing&#8217; appreciation with a copy of Razzle.</p>
<p>Do you see the distinction?  Ray deals with the tragedy of poverty, the poetry of destitution, and the realistic nobility of people experiencing them.  This is the sublime art of poverty.</p>
<p>Boyle wallows in faeces. This is the vile pornogra*hy of poverty.</p>
<p>@ Phew &#8211; And yes, Bollywood has to be crap.</p>
<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t &#8216;have&#8217; to be. Not always.</p>
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