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		<title>By: durkhaima</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/06/02/race-saanson-ki/#comment-727250</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this out ..http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_indian-techie-hacks-royal-australian-air-force-website-report_1274568</description>
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		<title>By: @robotsoul</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/06/02/race-saanson-ki/#comment-718775</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. It is beyond obscene for Australian officials to handle this problem the way that they are. Opportunists!? An unfathomable response considering 70 students have been attacked in the past year according to this: http://www.newsy.com/videos/indian_students_fight_back_racial_attacks 
Perhaps, the economic hit, of fewer students traveling to the country is the only avenue toward policy change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. It is beyond obscene for Australian officials to handle this problem the way that they are. Opportunists!? An unfathomable response considering 70 students have been attacked in the past year according to this: <a href="http://www.newsy.com/videos/indian_students_fight_back_racial_attacks" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsy.com/videos/indian_students_fight_back_racial_attacks</a><br />
Perhaps, the economic hit, of fewer students traveling to the country is the only avenue toward policy change.</p>
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		<title>By: Hara hara bom bom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hara hara bom bom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear GB,

This is not entirely correct, as in many cases the initial fillip is provided by ‘secular panthees’.  They will begin by some attack on Narendra Modi the “Nazi”, Hindutva thugs etc, and then we respond by something like “Narendra Modi’s perceived inaction makes him a Nazi, yet the massacre of millions of Hindus in 1971 Bangladesh renders Muslims as angels?”

You will notice that people like Shan have not refrained from stooping so abysmally low as to deliver ad hominem attacks out of the blue in discussions we had not even joined.  Then we reluctantly oblige.  I would say that in 50% of the cases, the secular panthees are culpable.

I appreciate that this may not be how some of your blogsite’s readers perceive this.  One reason may  be that after wearing shackles for 1,000 years, many Indians are uncomfortable with the norm of equality.  Indians are far more accepting of a 66:35 scenario, where we humbly accept 35% of the rewards in spite of providing 65% of the effort.  This I have noticed in many scenarios, corporate and otherwise.  We are afraid to venture out of this comfort zone for a 50:50 scenario, for fear that will leave us exposed.

I am not suggesting the other extreme, like the totalitarians among the Chinese and Muslims espouse, a 100:0 scenario, i.e you provide 100% of the input, I will contribute nil.  I get 100% of the rewards, you get nil.  Of course, I can contribute 100% of the crime though!!  This is outrageous.

Yet the self-confidence of the decent elements among the Muslims is highly praiseworthy, and we should learn this.  At one end lie Muslim fanatics, intractable, cold, ruthlessly rigid.  At the other end lie we, lacking a backbone like a soft celled worm, wriggling away like a coward.  Both of these are incorrect.  The middle ground adopted by the decent Muslims, self-assertion without bullying, is ideal.

BANGLADESH
I was not planning to bring Bangladesh in to this thread.  

There was another thread in which Ashis had made numerous observations on how only 250k people were killed.  I was planning to update that thread to demolish Ashis’ B/S.  However, as GB has been quite diligently deleting my posts, there is no guarantee my post will be kept on that thread.  

And then a host of swift Ninjas and agile Jedis may accuse me of ‘chickening out’ in the future.  That’s why I touched upon it here.

And shedding further light about the massacres in Bangladesh is not a crime.  The fact that millions of our hapless co-religionists were murdered barely 3.5 decades ago, and we are too wretched to even acknowledge their plight, is a crime.  Look at the contrasting Jewish and Indian responses to two Nazi-like massacres in the past half century.  One has bent over backwards to find every single fact about the holocaust of their members.  They have diligently compiled this, documented this, and present it to the world regularly to ensure no one forgets it. And no one repeats it.

And us?  Our government does not even acknowledge the massacre. Our victims do not perform any remembrance of the tragedy.  Heck, we do not even have the basic facts laid out.  It is a genocide forgotten.  And in to this void steps in the spin-doctors of the murderers, the deniers of the massacre.  And when we all forget?  Then it can be repeated again.

And thus the UN treats a small nation like Sri Lanka with far more respect and trepidation than a useless mass of flab that India is.

It would be brilliant if GB allowed me to present the case for Bangladesh in a nice, structured manner.  But as it is likely to be deleted, I have merely touched upon the issue, giving GB&#039;s readers the opportunity to study the research by Nandan Vyas.  I am sure some will find it highly informative, as it is the a trenchant piece of research proving that at least 1.6 million Hindus were massacred.

GB, I hope you will try reading up on it yourself; you may find it interesting.

AUSTRALIA

I strongly disagree with your claim on Islamophobia and irrelevance wrt reasons behind the racist attitude of a section of Australians to Indian students.  

What I have quoted is extremely relevant and factual.  The multiple and recent crime-waves by Muslims in Australia has definitely polluted the erstwhile harmonic fabric of Australia.  I have provided incontrovertible proof of this, which you have deleted.

In your posts on reasons behind global recession, have I brought in Muslims at all? No, because there are no strong links.  In your posts on over-liberal credit relief measures, or even reservation for OBCs, have I used the Muslim angle?  No, because the issues are independent.
  
However, if Islam is a relevant, if not prime cause behind the issue, then you should permit discussion on it.  I once commented that the explosive demographic growth among Muslims contributes to the high slum growth in India.  And now foreign media channels are admitting that over 50% of the slums in Mumbai are inhabited by Muslims, with their covering garnished by photos and bon-mots of throngs of running children!

Islam, at least Islam in its current, long and widely practiced form, is responsible for a vast host of problems in countries its members dwell in.  From the USA, right over Europe, to a burning Middle East, a flaming Africa, a bloodied Indian sub-continent,, to a simmering SE Asia.  Fact.  Islam drastically needs reform to ensure 90% of its cruel and irrational dross is expunged, so what remains is the bright and luminous heart of an avowedly aglitarian and confident belief system.

The population of Indians in Australia is not too far behind the Lebanese.  After a string of criminal incidents, the Australian’s are ‘afraid’ to even dream about checking this enterprise, far less whispering ‘boo’ to a Lebanese.  Yet Indians, a perfectly docile, crime-free, economically contributory group of people are merry targets for receiving the relentless kicks and brickbats of the pent-up frustration of Aussie youth.

Why is this?  Because the Lebanese have their ready-made armed gangs, inflammatory mosques, and denying spokespersons to represent them. 

And us Indians (in Australia)? We ‘had’ three items on our side. Manmohan Singh, Vyalavur Ravi, and GB’s site.  And now that GB has fortified the deletion key, we are left with manmohan and Vyalavur Ravi.

Holy Crap.  We are stuffed. Big-time!!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear GB,</p>
<p>This is not entirely correct, as in many cases the initial fillip is provided by ‘secular panthees’.  They will begin by some attack on Narendra Modi the “Nazi”, Hindutva thugs etc, and then we respond by something like “Narendra Modi’s perceived inaction makes him a Nazi, yet the massacre of millions of Hindus in 1971 Bangladesh renders Muslims as angels?”</p>
<p>You will notice that people like Shan have not refrained from stooping so abysmally low as to deliver ad hominem attacks out of the blue in discussions we had not even joined.  Then we reluctantly oblige.  I would say that in 50% of the cases, the secular panthees are culpable.</p>
<p>I appreciate that this may not be how some of your blogsite’s readers perceive this.  One reason may  be that after wearing shackles for 1,000 years, many Indians are uncomfortable with the norm of equality.  Indians are far more accepting of a 66:35 scenario, where we humbly accept 35% of the rewards in spite of providing 65% of the effort.  This I have noticed in many scenarios, corporate and otherwise.  We are afraid to venture out of this comfort zone for a 50:50 scenario, for fear that will leave us exposed.</p>
<p>I am not suggesting the other extreme, like the totalitarians among the Chinese and Muslims espouse, a 100:0 scenario, i.e you provide 100% of the input, I will contribute nil.  I get 100% of the rewards, you get nil.  Of course, I can contribute 100% of the crime though!!  This is outrageous.</p>
<p>Yet the self-confidence of the decent elements among the Muslims is highly praiseworthy, and we should learn this.  At one end lie Muslim fanatics, intractable, cold, ruthlessly rigid.  At the other end lie we, lacking a backbone like a soft celled worm, wriggling away like a coward.  Both of these are incorrect.  The middle ground adopted by the decent Muslims, self-assertion without bullying, is ideal.</p>
<p>BANGLADESH<br />
I was not planning to bring Bangladesh in to this thread.  </p>
<p>There was another thread in which Ashis had made numerous observations on how only 250k people were killed.  I was planning to update that thread to demolish Ashis’ B/S.  However, as GB has been quite diligently deleting my posts, there is no guarantee my post will be kept on that thread.  </p>
<p>And then a host of swift Ninjas and agile Jedis may accuse me of ‘chickening out’ in the future.  That’s why I touched upon it here.</p>
<p>And shedding further light about the massacres in Bangladesh is not a crime.  The fact that millions of our hapless co-religionists were murdered barely 3.5 decades ago, and we are too wretched to even acknowledge their plight, is a crime.  Look at the contrasting Jewish and Indian responses to two Nazi-like massacres in the past half century.  One has bent over backwards to find every single fact about the holocaust of their members.  They have diligently compiled this, documented this, and present it to the world regularly to ensure no one forgets it. And no one repeats it.</p>
<p>And us?  Our government does not even acknowledge the massacre. Our victims do not perform any remembrance of the tragedy.  Heck, we do not even have the basic facts laid out.  It is a genocide forgotten.  And in to this void steps in the spin-doctors of the murderers, the deniers of the massacre.  And when we all forget?  Then it can be repeated again.</p>
<p>And thus the UN treats a small nation like Sri Lanka with far more respect and trepidation than a useless mass of flab that India is.</p>
<p>It would be brilliant if GB allowed me to present the case for Bangladesh in a nice, structured manner.  But as it is likely to be deleted, I have merely touched upon the issue, giving GB&#8217;s readers the opportunity to study the research by Nandan Vyas.  I am sure some will find it highly informative, as it is the a trenchant piece of research proving that at least 1.6 million Hindus were massacred.</p>
<p>GB, I hope you will try reading up on it yourself; you may find it interesting.</p>
<p>AUSTRALIA</p>
<p>I strongly disagree with your claim on Islamophobia and irrelevance wrt reasons behind the racist attitude of a section of Australians to Indian students.  </p>
<p>What I have quoted is extremely relevant and factual.  The multiple and recent crime-waves by Muslims in Australia has definitely polluted the erstwhile harmonic fabric of Australia.  I have provided incontrovertible proof of this, which you have deleted.</p>
<p>In your posts on reasons behind global recession, have I brought in Muslims at all? No, because there are no strong links.  In your posts on over-liberal credit relief measures, or even reservation for OBCs, have I used the Muslim angle?  No, because the issues are independent.</p>
<p>However, if Islam is a relevant, if not prime cause behind the issue, then you should permit discussion on it.  I once commented that the explosive demographic growth among Muslims contributes to the high slum growth in India.  And now foreign media channels are admitting that over 50% of the slums in Mumbai are inhabited by Muslims, with their covering garnished by photos and bon-mots of throngs of running children!</p>
<p>Islam, at least Islam in its current, long and widely practiced form, is responsible for a vast host of problems in countries its members dwell in.  From the USA, right over Europe, to a burning Middle East, a flaming Africa, a bloodied Indian sub-continent,, to a simmering SE Asia.  Fact.  Islam drastically needs reform to ensure 90% of its cruel and irrational dross is expunged, so what remains is the bright and luminous heart of an avowedly aglitarian and confident belief system.</p>
<p>The population of Indians in Australia is not too far behind the Lebanese.  After a string of criminal incidents, the Australian’s are ‘afraid’ to even dream about checking this enterprise, far less whispering ‘boo’ to a Lebanese.  Yet Indians, a perfectly docile, crime-free, economically contributory group of people are merry targets for receiving the relentless kicks and brickbats of the pent-up frustration of Aussie youth.</p>
<p>Why is this?  Because the Lebanese have their ready-made armed gangs, inflammatory mosques, and denying spokespersons to represent them. </p>
<p>And us Indians (in Australia)? We ‘had’ three items on our side. Manmohan Singh, Vyalavur Ravi, and GB’s site.  And now that GB has fortified the deletion key, we are left with manmohan and Vyalavur Ravi.</p>
<p>Holy Crap.  We are stuffed. Big-time!!  <img src='http://greatbong.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jedi Master</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/06/02/race-saanson-ki/#comment-718396</link>
		<dc:creator>Jedi Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ GB

I think you deleted my previous post; I understand that this is your blog post and you want to keep it clean. 

I just think that I have right to defend myself if someone like HHBB falsely accuses me of being a liar. Anyway its your space, I will abide by whatever decision you take.</description>
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<p>I think you deleted my previous post; I understand that this is your blog post and you want to keep it clean. </p>
<p>I just think that I have right to defend myself if someone like HHBB falsely accuses me of being a liar. Anyway its your space, I will abide by whatever decision you take.</p>
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		<title>By: Jedi Master</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/06/02/race-saanson-ki/#comment-718366</link>
		<dc:creator>Jedi Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for some typographical errors in my previous post (kind of feeling sleepy)</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/06/02/race-saanson-ki/#comment-718348</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pankaj Roy</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/06/02/race-saanson-ki/#comment-718344</link>
		<dc:creator>Pankaj Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GB, thank you for the last comment - that was driven straight back past the bowler to the offside fence.  Maratwok shot!  (I was about to write Amen but then I got worried Dr. Bom Bom will accuse me of being an agent of evangelical Christianism).

&quot;...usually no matter what happens you will introduce a Muslim angle and then somehow it all goes to Bangladesh.&quot; GB, now I am afraid to read your new T20 post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB, thank you for the last comment &#8211; that was driven straight back past the bowler to the offside fence.  Maratwok shot!  (I was about to write Amen but then I got worried Dr. Bom Bom will accuse me of being an agent of evangelical Christianism).</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;usually no matter what happens you will introduce a Muslim angle and then somehow it all goes to Bangladesh.&#8221; GB, now I am afraid to read your new T20 post!</p>
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		<title>By: greatbong</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hara Hara Bom Bom,

Just a second. The reason you and your friends (you know who I am referring to)make me uncomfortable is that usually no matter what happens (unless it is a post about Soumitro), you will introduce a Muslim angle and then somehow it all goes to Bangladesh. This racism issue has been no exception. I dont care about Jedi Master&#039;s so-called falsehoods nor your so-called truths. All I care for 1) relevance to topic and 2) absence of hate. Jedi Master&#039;s comments were made in the context of your previous comments. Thats why it stood. However then you retort. This is when I have to step in since things need to be stopped at a certain place. Right?

In summary, this comment-space isnt going to be allowed to be a &quot;Tu Tu Main Main&quot; which is less of a debate and more of a &quot;reaching out&quot; (Rishi Khujur&#039;s words) I have asked you before, politely, to take such things outside this comment space if you feel strongly about them. Please do not use this forum to &quot;reach out&quot; /&quot;spread the message&quot; since my blog isnt a medium for people to &quot;reach out&quot; (debate is fine, ideology however is not) no matter how just your causes may be.

Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hara Hara Bom Bom,</p>
<p>Just a second. The reason you and your friends (you know who I am referring to)make me uncomfortable is that usually no matter what happens (unless it is a post about Soumitro), you will introduce a Muslim angle and then somehow it all goes to Bangladesh. This racism issue has been no exception. I dont care about Jedi Master&#8217;s so-called falsehoods nor your so-called truths. All I care for 1) relevance to topic and 2) absence of hate. Jedi Master&#8217;s comments were made in the context of your previous comments. Thats why it stood. However then you retort. This is when I have to step in since things need to be stopped at a certain place. Right?</p>
<p>In summary, this comment-space isnt going to be allowed to be a &#8220;Tu Tu Main Main&#8221; which is less of a debate and more of a &#8220;reaching out&#8221; (Rishi Khujur&#8217;s words) I have asked you before, politely, to take such things outside this comment space if you feel strongly about them. Please do not use this forum to &#8220;reach out&#8221; /&#8221;spread the message&#8221; since my blog isnt a medium for people to &#8220;reach out&#8221; (debate is fine, ideology however is not) no matter how just your causes may be.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Hara hara bom bom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hara hara bom bom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before you retort with the obvious, that was a joke.  I know it is 38 years. Not 48. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before you retort with the obvious, that was a joke.  I know it is 38 years. Not 48. <img src='http://greatbong.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hara hara bom bom</title>
		<link>http://greatbong.net/2009/06/02/race-saanson-ki/#comment-718294</link>
		<dc:creator>Hara hara bom bom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ He who is dreaming about tosh-toshe bhara poom-pooms &quot;Thank you, Sir, for that education&quot;. 

That&#039;s alright. It&#039;s my pleasure.  If you cannot educate yourself, I will educate you.  :-)

What was more relevant was my proof on why Australia has turned racist.  It contained clear links to outrageous Muslim violence since 2000, like the Musliam gang rapes of 2000, then 2002, and the 98% Muslim violence in the post Cronulla riots in 2005, as well as Muslims violence in 2006.  GB decided not to post these.

@ He who is dreaming about tosh-toshe bhara poom-pooms &quot;Hindu deaths in the Bangladesh genocide four decades ago.  What, no? Wait…&quot;

No. The genocide was in 1971. That is 48 years, so 5 decades, not 4.
Your are as outstanding in maths as you are in history.  

Stop dreaming about bhora poom-pooms and concentrate on your studies, you naughty boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ He who is dreaming about tosh-toshe bhara poom-pooms &#8220;Thank you, Sir, for that education&#8221;. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s alright. It&#8217;s my pleasure.  If you cannot educate yourself, I will educate you.  <img src='http://greatbong.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>What was more relevant was my proof on why Australia has turned racist.  It contained clear links to outrageous Muslim violence since 2000, like the Musliam gang rapes of 2000, then 2002, and the 98% Muslim violence in the post Cronulla riots in 2005, as well as Muslims violence in 2006.  GB decided not to post these.</p>
<p>@ He who is dreaming about tosh-toshe bhara poom-pooms &#8220;Hindu deaths in the Bangladesh genocide four decades ago.  What, no? Wait…&#8221;</p>
<p>No. The genocide was in 1971. That is 48 years, so 5 decades, not 4.<br />
Your are as outstanding in maths as you are in history.  </p>
<p>Stop dreaming about bhora poom-pooms and concentrate on your studies, you naughty boy.</p>
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