Hoorah ! One more Jihadi lowlife is going to meet virgins and young boys . LET scum Mohammed Arif aka Ashfaq tried to get us all senti—look how nobly he wanted to donate his blood for the victims of Delhi’s terrorist attacks. I think we should oblige—-empty his body of blood, slowly and steadily.
And while the flesh of Indians burn in New Delhi, we donate millions of dollars to the humanistic relief efforts in Pakistan because we want to help “innocent Kashmiris and Pakistanis”. Just like we did after independence when Pakistan attacked us and we were still transferring money to them as part of the partition agreement. Sardar Patel wanted to stop that transaction for the rather illogical reason that the money we were giving them was being used to kill us. But a thin old saintly man threatened to go on hunger strike if we did not give Pakistan their share. And you thought that only the movie “Chocolate” made no friggin sense.
I sincerely hope we catch them bastards who turned off all the lights of Diwali in Delhi and give them the “Ashfaq”ing of their lives.
The Greatbong Blog & Podcast 
I feel anger, frustation, outrage, about the terroist attack on us. I really can’t say that I fully fathom the sadness and void felt by the victim’s families because no one does unless they are in that shoe. I feel like hunting the terrosists down and put them in the victim’s shoes.
But I also know that those criminals are very hard to catch. What will happen out of these awaful incidents is that some innocent people belonging to the terrosits’s religion or cast will be wrongfully treated. And this wrong treatment will give rise to more resentment and more distrust and hatred. In other words, things will spiral out of control. I think you aptly made the following observation to one of your reader’s comment in your previous blog:
“From 1996-1999 (before I came to US) Sourav to me was like any other player—it was after I came to US and was face to face with virulent anti-Bengalism disguised as anti-Gangulism that I began to feel a sense of kinship to Ganguly.”
My point is wrongful insuations, insulting behaviour or remarks make a passive person change. So let us not lose our sanity. And try to catch those bastards and make them pay with their own life. But before that we need to change our constitution so that terrosists once convicted should be made to die in a ‘halal way’. Why should we remain civilized all the time? Doesn’t the most poweful democracy in world carry out outragious activities in the sacred name of homeland security? So why can’t we at least change our constitution to accommodate those bastards? But I am definitely against victimization of a class of people just because some bastards of their clan wronged others.
wow! dunno what to say …
whats the chocolate connection?
Delhi is back with a zing. Though the tragedy has dampened the spirits all over. Interesting comments on Patel and Gandhi. And yes giving money away is far more illogical than the movie Chocolate.
@yourfan: Innovative torture methods like listening to Christina Aguilera in a loop is called for….
And thats’s valid observation—it’s people like Modi and Thackeray who make Muslims even more acutely conscious of their Muslimness and thus abet horrific crimes against the country.
@Prerona: I meant to say that Gandhi’s actions were even more non-sensical than the plot of Chocolate.
@Oz: Good to know….its not that people in general wont move on…but for the families touched by the tragedy its difficult to move past the senseless of it all.
So you hate Muslims because you are not one of them. You hate non-bongs because you don’t belong there. You have outmatched everyone in sectarian hatred. Full of prejudices and parochialism. I think it’s time you dropped the self-conferred appellation “greatbong” –nothing misfits more than this for you. As a fellow bong I feel ashamed that you are one with so much of narrowmindedness and communal feelings and fascist ideas.
You perhaps do not know that a very small percentage of Muslim population (less than one percent) subscribe to Islamic radicalism. Another bit that you may help switch your stand on Bal Thackery who is now your dear for his hatred of Muslims, is that, in the beginning of his political career, Thackery once initiated hate-campaigns against Bengalis too under the slogan “Maharashtra is for the Marathis only”. Divisiveness is such a vicious idea that it knows no bounds. Once it bases itself on Marathi-Bengali division, then it may try to feed itself on Hindu-Muslim card, afterwards it may well be reduced to something like I-always-good-you-always-bad.
I don’t know in how much isolation of people of other communities you live or what kind of folks you mix with that you nourish so deep contempt and ill-feelings for other communities.
@Akash…take a chill pill and kindly point out where you find this anti-Islamic….or do you associate LET with Muslims in general…which is again your association not mine.
Before you vent your spleen, kindly back it up with facts….
Point out where I have said anything about Muslims or Islam in the blog post. Kindly do so.And where the name of Thackeray came from? And thanks for repeating what I already knew about Thackeray…if you really want to pontificate do it on your blog….I know and my readers know what Thackeray is.
And oh another question. Before you start commenting on other people’s blogs, what kind of drugs do you smoke? Just curious.
I repeat Jihadi terrorists (WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GENERAL INDIAN MUSLIMS AND HAVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH PAKISTAN) should be bled dry. If that offends you…here’s my middle finger.
Well said, Arnab
“And oh another question. Before you start commenting on other people’s blogs, what kind of drugs do you smoke? Just curious.”
“If that offends you…here’s my middle finger.”
Forgive me, I can’t match you even in using expletives much the same way I can’t indulge in shameless and violent outbursts against those with whom I’m in disagreement. Using invectives are the prerogatives of macho Bollywood heroes on whom you sure did great amount of research not me. So neither I am surprised by your reaction nor do I mind your middle finger (I only heard that people inclined to using their middle fingers, in fact, don’t have them). …Well .. back to the real issues… I presume that your mind is functional enough to understand that my comments were elicited based on a few of your previous posts not only the current one.
Let me quote a few which are close at hand. I could quote more but the time to search through your other posts is not worth it, nor is it worthwhile to elaborate on how prejudiced your views are on many sensitive issues. I’m sure you will know them gradually.
“so I find the sight of Indian Muslims (again a minority of Indian Muslims who do this) supporting Pakistan blood-boiling to say the least.â€
“One Down and a Million To Goâ€
“I think we should oblige—-empty his body of blood, slowly and steadily.â€
“I sincerely hope we catch them bastards who turned off all the lights of Diwali in Delhi and give them the “Ashfaq”ing of their lives.â€
I don’t know where do those violent sentences fit in a civilized society? Don’t they just send a chill through the spine in the first place, irrespective of whoever they are applicable to. Go through your posts once again with a fresh mind and you will understand how deep your communal hatred is. OK. Even if I grant that you do not hate Muslims in general. How much different it is when you claim that you hate Pakistan, for that matter? And again Indian Muslims are conditionally spared from your venomous outrage if, for example, they can somehow show beyond doubt that they hate Pakistan (that’s where the militant divisiveness comes; if you want to love one if have to hate the other). Do you call for some thought-control measures for Indian Muslims (who are very unfortunate not to conform to your criteria) to turn them into “good†Muslims. In spite of your barbaric outlook as this, I trust that you will find some obedient Muslims in the world whom you do not hate by virtue of your open, free and generous mind. Heh…
And while the flesh of Indians burn in New Delhi, we donate millions of dollars to the humanistic relief efforts in Pakistan because we want to help “innocent Kashmiris and Pakistanis”. What kind of message you wish to send to the Pakistanis and Kashmiris by saying this? How would you have reacted if Kashmir and Pakistan were a part of India. In spite of your inhuman attitude as this, I believe you just do not hate Muslims in general by virtue of your open, free and self-proclaimed great mind.
Which section of Muslim community, who are engaged in horrific crimes against the country, are you referring to when you say, it’s people like Modi and Thackeray who make Muslims even more acutely conscious of their Muslimness and thus abet horrific crimes against the country. . Only Indian Muslims, or just LET or Pakistanis. Try to explain this with a complex Venn Diagrams so that we can understand that you are not on drugs and also we can be convinced that there must exist some Muslims in the world whom you do not hate by virtue of your free, fair, open and great mind. And once more, is it not offering clemency to those brutal murderers Modi and Thackarey by accusing them only of provoking the Muslims to commit horrendous crimes against India while tactfully keeping silent about some more serious issues such as how they themselves have conspired to kill thousands of Indians in cold blooded manner (By Indians here I mean Indian Muslims for your clear understanding)? This gives a very wrong signal.
Just because of lack of time I stop here. Thanks for your advice on using my own blog to propagate my views. I will definitely consider your idea. However, as long as there is no space constraint in one’s comment space, I reckon it more appropriate to keep comments on a specific post along with the post itself. And of course, you are free to delete the comments using the much clichéd and most unsporting weapon “It is my weblog.â€
Lastly if you think you did not mean what I understood of you as I told above, then either you were on some low grade dope before I wrote that weblog or you are not mature enough to handle sensitive issues like this by delivering your messages correctly and clearly. Do not confuse everything with your slapsticks on Bollywood actors and actresses. And one last thing, do not deliver vengeance in the name of sarcasm. In any case, you will be caught with your pants down.
Hi Arnab,
I am a regular reader of your excellent blog and as my name no doubt shows I am Muslim. I have never commented on your blog because of my laziness (too lazy to get a Blogger account for example) and because I feel that saying “Wow great piece of writing” does not add much especially when so many people do that already. However with respect to Akash’s rather inflammatory and let me say unfair accusations against you, I think it’s time for me to break my silence.
I as an Indian Muslim and (a devout one at that) find nothing objectionable about this post and also your previous posts. I also think that Jihadi loons from Pakistan deserved to be killed and I feel your pain because it is mine too. I also failed to see any justification for Thackeray/Modi in this post or the ones previous , and I believe I am not the only one.
Consider this. If you really were the intolerant bigot that Akash claims you are, I presume that most educated people will not be reading your blogs. I know that I would not. But a lot of them do and I do too.
So why does Akash say these things? Let me hazard a guess. Attention. That’s what he is seeking by making such inflammatory comments. In all of the big desi and international blogs, you will find a few people like Akash whose main modus operandi is to attack the blogger, provoke a reaction and up the ante and what he gains out of all this is some attention and some amount of vicarious pleasure. Jealousy is also a problem sometimes because some blogs work and some dont.
It’s because of people like Akash that some of the most popular blogs disable comments which incidentally is something I am not suggesting you do by the way.
Please note that Akash, most of the time, has to express dissatisfaction with whatever you write:–note his initial negative comment [subsequently changing his tone] on your 55 word post.
On the Ganguly issue (where let me add I disagree with you partly ;Ganguly should have been out of the team a long time ago but I do agree that anti-Bengali sentiment fuels the anti-Ganguly feeling to a large extent), Akash criticizes you for reacting to anti-Bengali feeling and in the process does not recognize your right to support whomever you choose (even if its motivated by chauvinism). I mention this because he subsequently says exactly the opposite—people have a right to support whomever they want (even its an enemy country). But he does not recognize your right to do so !
In conclusion, I would advise you not to take these people seriously; they are not unique to your blog. And if Akash really found you as despicable as he paints you to be, then he would stop coming here. As simple as that.
That he does inspite of his proffessed poor opinion of the Greatbong just proves my point that he comments only to get some attention from you and most importantly from your readers.
And one last thing, on the basis of people like Akash please do not stop postings on controversial political matters. I love your writing style and always find your POV interesting (even when I do not agree to it). I enjoy your postings on Mithun-da and Mimoh-beta but please don’t go overboard with the filmi stuff just because it gets good feedback.
Cheers,
-Shabbir
@Shabbir, Thanks for your support. To be honest, the comments made by Akash made me depressed yesterday because they were so vile and unfounded …while the Sourav issue has two sides, I did not think the expressing outrage against terrorists had. I was also thinking of not posting on politics any longer but thanks for your support.
@Akash: I guess abusing and personal attacks are fine as long as they come from the exalted Akash but once the retort comes, its no longer fun anymore.
“so I find the sight of Indian Muslims (again a minority of Indian Muslims who do this) supporting Pakistan blood-boiling to say the least.â€
Yes I do. And I do not apologize for that. If you, as an Indian, like to support Pakistan do so. But I have the right not to like it.
“One Down and a Million To Goâ€
Yes I meant Jihadis and not Muslims—you are trying to convey that impression but I am sure my readers understood whom I was alluding to. Yes there are millions of Jihadis—Afghanistan, Chechnya, Kashmir and I have the right to feel nothing but contempt for them for what they represent and their methods (castrating Saurabh Kalia and gouging out his eyes for example…which I am sure you will have some justification for)
” I think we should oblige—-empty his body of blood, slowly and steadily.â€
“I sincerely hope we catch them bastards who turned off all the lights of Diwali in Delhi and give them the “Ashfaq”ing of their lives.â€
Yes definitely. Terrorists deserve to be dealt with sheer brutality.
And while the flesh of Indians burn in New Delhi, we donate millions of dollars to the humanistic relief efforts in Pakistan because we want to help “innocent Kashmiris and Pakistanis”.
I say donate relief material but not cash—-because I do not want my money to go into buying arms (which is what is happening)…if you are fine with that go ahead.
“it’s people like Modi and Thackeray who make Muslims even more acutely conscious of their Muslimness and thus abet horrific crimes against the country.”
This is what you consider as support to Modi and Thackeray? Let me spell it out for you.
It is Thackeray and Modi who are to blame because they take Indians and single out people because they are Muslims. Muslims who all their lives have felt as Indian as anybody else suddenly find themselves labelled as “different”—their houses burnt while the adjacent Hindu one stands. Its Thackeray and Modi who have made many Muslims feel different and alienated….again its not that all alienated people became Jihadis…some do.
For instance Tiger Memon has his business burned down during the Mumbai riots….and in the excellent movie “Black Friday” when he is shown shouting in impotent rage as he stands amidst the rubble of his business and vowing “to finish off the Hindus”, I felt nothing but sympathy for him. Not that i dont want him captured and tried for his horrific crimes, but yes it was the Shiv Sena that conributed significantly in making “anti-India-conscious”.
Thus I hold Thackeray partly responsible for the Jihadi activities.
Now is that clear enough for you? I would have drawn a Venn Diagram for you but I did not want to short circuit your brain. Let’s take it in small steps—shall we?
And oh you do not have to portray yourself as a martyr by saying “you can delete my comments…blah blah”. I have not deleted your comments before and wont do so now. Cause thats not the way I do things.
Finally if you believe you have caught me with my pants down (:-)))…then Akash what can I say…you have now seen why I like to call myself “great”
{That by the way was a joke…}
Now the final word. You are free to reply to this (nothing to prevent you). However I shall not reply to you any longer because you have started a personal attack. And because as Shabbir points out, your attacks “may” be motivated by matters other than principles.
In any case, whatever be your motives, I choose not to reply to any of your vitriol. As Shabbir points out, the fact that many readers visit this blog (this post , deemed communal by you, has been linked by India’s No 1 blog site: Desipundit) is testimony to the fact that my credentials are not under scrutiny and people , who do not have ulterior motives, “get it”.
“…. I think it’s time for me to break my silence.â€
You did the right thing by making your voice heard.
“I also think that Jihadi loons from Pakistan deserved to be killed and I feel your pain because it is mine too. I also failed to see any justification for Thackeray/Modi in this post or the ones previousâ€
Thackeray, Modi are the ones who are directly and indirectly involved in the terrorist activities on the soil of India. The kill people, breed and motivate killers, incite one community against the other by their incendiary speeches and rhetorics and thereby create an atmosphere of violence and terrorism. When you bay for the blood of the jihadis in deadliest slogans, rally support for the most brutal punishments for them, but surprisingly euphemize the crime of those who, in fact, engender this mayhem, by just saying “it’s people like Modi and Thackeray who make Muslims even more acutely conscious of their Muslimness and thus abet horrific crimes against the country.” you undoubtedly send a wrong signal to the people of India. Muslims, anyway, live with their specific religious identity and there is no reason to believe that the awareness of it would turn them enemy of a particular country. I find it really suspicious when the most brutal treatment for the Jihadis are justified by you while the worse criminals are let off with just a light criticism.
I shall even urge you to investigate the real cause of terrorism in India by also taking into account the brutality of Indian Army on the Kashmiris since 1989. If you do not do a holistic analysis of such delicate social phenomenon and only growl based on your short-sighted and narrow approach, you will continue to mislead yourself and others too on the very important issue. Needless to say that, in revenge, you may shout for more and more blood from the jihadis but that does not help alleviate the root problem. I am also tempted to write about my perception as how the problem of terrorism is exploited in the politics of both these countries. But this requires a separate occasion. I reiterate that the current post by Greatbong is extremely misleading and quite rhetorical to make an immediate impact and is intended to turn people violent against a class people, an act which, in itself, is a crime.
“Consider this. If you really were the intolerant bigot that Akash claims you are, I presume that most educated people will not be reading your blogs. I know that I would not. But a lot of them do and I do too.
This is always good to read opposing opinions on an issue.
“So why does Akash say these things? Let me hazard a guess. Attention….Jealousy is also a problem sometimes because some blogs work and some don’t.â€
I think this allegation is false. I have no aspiration to being in the center of attention of the weblogdom. Not that I think that this is a bad idea. But the amount of free time that I get after my professional commitment is so less that I could not even give a minimum of attention to my own weblog that it deserves. So I am yet to generate a powerful emotion about blogging such that it is able to hurt me by some means. It is only now that I know from greatbong that desipundit is the number 1 blogger in India. I am not sure how this ranking is made. Is this on the basis of number of hits on the page? I hope not. In such case all pornographic sites may well be good candidates for Nobel Prizes in literature. But my little experience suggests that weblogging has all the potential to emerge as a powerful medium in the foreseeable future.
I roam in the blogsphere under the name which is not real. I take all the care to hide everything about my real identity just because I don’t want any attention. Not that in real life I am a very famous that I need security cover when I move. But, at least, I can assure you, in my real identity I would have been more popular than I am now. I terribly enjoy the freedom of being anonymous. Therefore, the question of jealousy does not arise.
It’s because of people like Akash that some of the most popular blogs disable comments which incidentally is something I am not suggesting you do by the way
Absolutely unrelated/obscene comments deserve to be deleted. Deleting comments just for the author’s inability to accept criticism is unfair.
Please note that Akash, most of the time, has to express dissatisfaction with whatever you write:–note his initial negative comment [subsequently changing his tone] on your 55 word post.
I always try to be honest to me conscience. On your allegation, I don’t think I made a volte-face on that 55-word post also. The problem with me may be that I’m not given to hyperboles. However, this is not bad either to correct your views later on, rather than holding on to something obstinately to satisfy your ego. A nice 55-word story is not necessarily the best possible one.
Akash criticizes you for reacting to anti-Bengali feeling and in the process does not recognize your right to support whomever you choose (even if its motivated by chauvinism). I mention this because he subsequently says exactly the opposite—people have a right to support whomever they want (even its an enemy country). But he does not recognize your right to do so !
The question was not just supporting something as a matter of your right to doing that. There are more elements to it. Have you ever heard of the terms humanity, love, egalitarianism, secularism, philanthropy, impartiality etc? I judge any act in the light of the above qualities. If I find anything in violation of them I think it’s my duty to protest that, of course in terms of arguments not by means of “ash-faqing†or likes. For example, if somebody supports Sourav Ganguly for all the wrong reasons then it’s time to step in. Language class, political boundary don’t matter to me. I immensely liked the style Wasim Akram and also Steve Waugh and always wanted that they play well. The geographical boundary of a country did not prevent me from wishing them good luck even when the play against India. I don’t think such an act can be interpreted as unjustified on moral or humanistic grounds. Humans matter to me more than the class they belong. In fact, I am a very unorthodox person. I hate anything that creates division among people. Of course each of us belongs to a many different classes at the same time. For example, I play cricket, I eat mangoe and I love Mithun dada. This does not mean I will hate soccer, banana or Amitabh Bachchan.
“And if Akash really found you as despicable as he paints you to be, then he would stop coming here. As simple as that.â€
There is no reason to conclude that I will not agree with him on other issues just because I opposed him on some. Those whom we can’t stand have everything crooked–No this is not my philosophy.
For last few days, I was very busy. Now I see Akash’s comment. I don’t want to go into details. Just a few observations.
1. You made the following comment on my comment at 12:50 p.m. “it’s people like Modi and Thackeray who make Muslims even more acutely conscious of their Muslimness and thus abet horrific crimes against the country.” Akash comments on your comment, ““— “it’s people like Modi and Thackeray who make Muslims even more acutely conscious of their Muslimness and thus abet horrific crimes against the country.” you undoubtedly send a wrong signal to the people of India.â€â€ What wrong signal? I did not have any problem in understanding what you meant. It is absolutely clear. I don’t see any wrong signal there. I honestly don’t understand why Akash did not understand what you meant.
2. “One down and a million to go†– no problem in understanding that you referred to one jihadi down and a million of jihadis to go. There is no ambiguity whatsoever. What is wrong with Akash? Why can’t Akash understand simple unambiguous sentences?
3. I also think he is an attention seeker not because he disagrees with you (I also have disagreed with you in past blogs) but because he does not have the inclination to read and understand properly and then comment. He suggests he wants to remain anonymous – “I roam in the blogsphere under the name which is not real. I take all the care to hide everything about my real identity just because I don’t want any attention.———– I terribly enjoy the freedom of being anonymousâ€. According to me he is a darpok and hides under anonymity and claims to enjoy ‘freedom’ without the responsibility of his remarks.
4. I could have countered each and every remark of his but I don’t want to give a darpok that much attention. But I must also say that I would have appreciated the absence of abusive words in your blog sphere.
I fully support your view that terrorists or jihadis should be treated with their own coin so that they understand what it means to lose an innocent family member to senseless crime. Terrorists do not belong to ANY religion – their ONLY religion is to kill innocent people. According to me you are NOT AT ALL a Muslim hater (then a devout Muslim like Shabbir won’t support you) – you are a terrorist hater.
Hi Akash and Greatbong,
Let me first apologize for extending this discussion. I do not know whether Greatbong will respond to this latest comment but I shall.
My dad is a Kashmiri and the real reason for terrorism is not the “barbarity of the Indian armed forces”—that’s just Pakistani rhetoric that people like you repeat because, and let me repeat again, you want attention. Now I know you are a famous person and all that and hide behind an identity forgive me your self-serving and rather hilarious delusions of grandeur still leave me cold.
So whats the real reason? Aaah “famous man who calls himself Akash” I wish I had the time to explain it…maybe once I get around to starting a blog I may be more detailed.
For a keen blog surfer like you let me point out that Desipundit is a group blog maintained by several bloggers who collect the BEST of the Indian blogosphere…it’s No 1 because it collects all the “No 1 ” posts in a day.
And criticism is fine but accusing someone of being communal and asking him to drop his moniker because of your sensibilities is borderline abusive—because rather than attacking an issue you have attacked a person. I would have deleted your comments if this was my blog.
Again its beyond my capacity to explain that nobody except you found this post to be light on Thackeray…..but again I still believe you are looking for publicity and hence are not really looking for an explanation either.
I despise Thackeray. Same for Modi. I do not attend their speeches. I know what they basically are going to say and try my best to ignore them. While its good to hear opposing viewpoints, I dont think anyone would come to hear a truly despicable person. And as to not being given to hyperbole, reread your ‘shame on you…get rid of the name of Greatbong’ comments and think honestly, if thats hyperbole or not?
You may be wondering why I am so keen to defend Greatbong. Let me explain. People like you with your half-baked, irresponsible statements about the Army’s culpability in terrorism do extreme harm to our community. This is because people assume that this is the general opinion of Muslims (even when its articulated by a famous person with a moniker of Akash)—its not so.
Let me point out my vested interest here. I am not impartial. My father, a Kashmiri Muslim, served in Army Intelligence. He fought Jihadis in Kashmir and died a few years ago in an attack on a convoy. The people he fought against were not motivated by Army excesses—-the people he fought were Afghans who had been smuggled into the country by Pakistan and who amused themselves by raping Muslim women (yes that’s how much they love Islam) and robbing poor Kashmiri goatherds. They created an alternative government there and villagers were forced to do as the Afghanis wanted. Some Kashmiri youth looking to make easy money and forcibly enjoy women joined their gang. In one of the villages, a man rebuffed for marriage by a girl went and joined the “freedom fighters” and the first thing he did was to come back with a posse of gunmen and defile his “loved one”. Nothing noble here Mr Akash as you like to point out. And I fail to see how this was the Army’s fault.
My father fought these people and died in the process. There have been Army excesses but nothing compared to what the Jihadis have done to Kashmir. I am not even talking about Kashmiri Pundits; just to fellow Musalmans.
So for the son of a father who died fighting Jihadis I hope you can understand that this does touch a chord somewhere. And then when I see people like you, with ulterior motives, trying to make it sound as if Jihadis are poor little lambs who are less dangerous than Bal Thackeray (your words) I do not know whether to feel contempt for your shameless attempts to garner brownie points or laugh at your ignorance. Bal Thackeray is bad no doubt but the Jihadis are equally bad if not more. And criticizing a Jihadi does not mean that at the same breath one HAS to criticize Thackeray (something that nonetheless Greatbong has done in a comment) just as the reverse does not hold true.
Final advice to Greatbong: Ignore famous people like “Akash” and dont let them lose your cool. Maybe I should not be the one giving you advice as it can argued that I too have lost my cool. But you get the point 🙂
Again sorry for a long reply and this will also be my last reply to this post.
Cheers
Shabbir
To yourfan
it’s people like Modi and Thackeray who make Muslims even more acutely conscious of their Muslimness and thus abet horrific crimes against the country
For a section of Hindu-Indians with right wing views, consciousness of one’s Muslim identity is deemed an alienation from an Indian identity. They are bewitched by their partisan views so much as not even to understand that Muslims are Indians as much as the Hindus are. Why does “acute consciousness of one’s Muslim Identity†abet horrific crimes against the country when one’s Hindu Identity is not suspected? The above assertion is a clear indication of the commentator’s chauvinistic view on religious matters, so deeply rooted that he is not even aware of that consciously like many others.
“One down and a million to goâ€
Doesn’t he sound like a war hawk? I would appreciate he one sounds like a peace-dove.
According to me he is a darpok and hides under anonymity and claims to enjoy ‘freedom’ without the responsibility of his remarks.
I agree that hiding behind a fictitious identity shows one’s lack of courage. But how does it matter when we are in an argumentative discussion? When you say I am darpok, my girlfriend would perhaps interpret it as my aloofness from cheap publicity. In fact, both of you are biased.
I could have countered each and every remark of his but I don’t want to give a darpok that much attention. But I must also say that I would have appreciated the absence of abusive words in your blog sphere.
Do not keep mum on important issues for the fear that it may give someone undue attention. Do not spend much time on who deserves attention and who does not. Just speak out.
According to me you are NOT AT ALL a Muslim hater (then a devout Muslim like Shabbir won’t support you) – you are a terrorist hater
Hate terrorism at first and try to find the real reasons for that. I will reply to Shabbir’s comment late at night. I have some thing to say, I guess.
A few observations on Akash’s post:
“So you hate Muslims because you are not one of them. You hate non-bongs because you don’t belong there. You have outmatched everyone in sectarian hatred. Full of prejudices and parochialism. I think it’s time you dropped the self-conferred appellation “greatbong” –nothing misfits more than this for you. As a fellow bong I feel ashamed that you are one with so much of narrowmindedness and communal feelings and fascist ideas. ”
Would you have been ashamed as a “fellow bong” when say , in 1946, you mothers and sisters were being raped during the partition and say when the Great Calcutta killings were going on? Hmm. Or would you have , say Hindu movie style, say ” I will save the life of my fellow muslim friends?”
“You perhaps do not know that a very small percentage of Muslim population (less than one percent) subscribe to Islamic radicalism. Another bit that you may help switch your stand on Bal Thackery who is now your dear for his hatred of Muslims, is that, in the beginning of his political career, Thackery once initiated hate-campaigns against Bengalis too under the slogan “Maharashtra is for the Marathis only”. Divisiveness is such a vicious idea that it knows no bounds. Once it bases itself on Marathi-Bengali division, then it may try to feed itself on Hindu-Muslim card, afterwards it may well be reduced to something like I-always-good-you-always-bad. ”
Aha. Aha. Tch tch tch.” Religious right is bad. We are a secular country” . Na? Aha aha.
Read Mehta’s Maximum City. Thackaray may be an joker but you need wild dogs to fight wild dogs. As a saying in Bengali goes ” Jemon kukur , temon mugur”.
Mehta himself calles Thackaray as the ” man most directly responsible for ruining the beautiful city I grew up in. ” He also points outr correctly that its a party w/o principles. But the acknowledges” You need fanatics to fight fanatics”. See, I might like Thackaray , but does that make me anti- muslim? Hmm. Where did greatbong attack muslims? Going by your logic, we should now say, terrorists are not bad and that we should embrace them.
Next post:
““so I find the sight of Indian Muslims (again a minority of Indian Muslims who do this) supporting Pakistan blood-boiling to say the least.â€
Ohh. Yes, if you go to places like Rajabajar in Kolkata there are people who burst crackers when Pakistan beat India in a cricket match. And yes, when you see this, you will probably sigh…glint of a tear in your eye and say” But they are my brothers…I should probably condone this” and then go and gorge in some Iftaar party.
““One Down and a Million To Goâ€
So!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????
““I think we should oblige—-empty his body of blood, slowly and steadily.â€
“I sincerely hope we catch them bastards who turned off all the lights of Diwali in Delhi and give them the “Ashfaq”ing of their lives.â€
”
Yes, you will find these words spine chilling. But the terrorist acts are not spine chilling to you.
then:
“I don’t know where do those violent sentences fit in a civilized society? Don’t they just send a chill through the spine in the first place, irrespective of whoever they are applicable to. Go through your posts once again with a fresh mind and you will understand how deep your communal hatred is. OK. Even if I grant that you do not hate Muslims in general. How much different it is when you claim that you hate Pakistan, for that matter? And again Indian Muslims are conditionally spared from your venomous outrage if, for example, they can somehow show beyond doubt that they hate Pakistan (that’s where the militant divisiveness comes; if you want to love one if have to hate the other). Do you call for some thought-control measures for Indian Muslims (who are very unfortunate not to conform to your criteria) to turn them into “good†Muslims. In spite of your barbaric outlook as this, I trust that you will find some obedient Muslims in the world whom you do not hate by virtue of your open, free and generous mind. Heh…”
Absolute piece of crap. Meth or pot?
then :
“And while the flesh of Indians burn in New Delhi, we donate millions of dollars to the humanistic relief efforts in Pakistan because we want to help “innocent Kashmiris and Pakistanis”. What kind of message you wish to send to the Pakistanis and Kashmiris by saying this? How would you have reacted if Kashmir and Pakistan were a part of India. In spite of your inhuman attitude as this, I believe you just do not hate Muslims in general by virtue of your open, free and self-proclaimed great mind. ”
sighs I want to write so many things….but something within me not to split hairs with this bugger. There is only one word to describe the above paragraph : Urine.
The same goes with the next 2 paragraphs.
Last para of that bullsit post:
“Lastly if you think you did not mean what I understood of you as I told above, then either you were on some low grade dope before I wrote that weblog or you are not mature enough to handle sensitive issues like this by delivering your messages correctly and clearly. Do not confuse everything with your slapsticks on Bollywood actors and actresses. And one last thing, do not deliver vengeance in the name of sarcasm. In any case, you will be caught with your pants down.”
I strongly urge you to come out of your bollywood dreams where secularism etc is preached. You know you”ll be surprised to know that I have lots of liberal muslim friends. Actually the problem is not the terrorists, the problem is pussilanimous Gandhian people like you. You are a far greater threat to the country than terrorists. As long as people like you exist in India, radical muslims will know they dont need to make any move. Poeple like you will take care of them. And then, another blast. This time, maybe you, your wife. Ill tell you what your problem is. I had this friend of mine in school who was ultra possessive of his girlfriend. So if someone said something nice to that girl ….anything nice, say just out of courtesy , even a smile and a Thank You…he would bark : ” dont dare flirt with her . I know your slimy character.” Like him, you too are a psycho. Here you are so blind to the acts of the acts of atrocities of any person as long as he’s muslim (eg . a jihadi terrorist) that you conveniently jump on Arnab’s throat and generalize ” anti terrorist ” as ” anti muslim.” By your logic, nothing should be said about the jihadis. They should be just terrorsists…eh. Hah. See all big broadsheets….Islamic terrorism is an established term. The whole world knows that its a problem. Liberal Muslims also know it. But when a white man writes about it….no problem. But if you are a Hindu and write about it, then the chorus will go up ” Eh…you are communal, you hate muslims…etc etc. ”
Terrorism my dear patho friend is should be dealt with an iron fist. Chooi mooi writings, pussyfooting, condoning , etc will not prevent more bomb blasts. If the terrorist is a hindu, then too , I am sure that Arnab would have used these harsh words.
Shabbir..mature post.
The only line in his post which i found sensible was :
“Absolutely unrelated/obscene comments deserve to be deleted. Deleting comments just for the author’s inability to accept criticism is unfair. ” Very true and thats why many leading bloggers choose to disable comments because they are afraid of justified criticisms. But GReatbong is no ordinary blogger. He is India’s no. 1 blogger. At least he’s honest, not self deluding, doesnt shoot from behind a smokescreen, not a flim flam man and has the courage to have comments. I sincerely hope that he doesnt diable comments. A blog is not a blog without comments. No one wants to read soliloquies.
Greatbong: You are a Braveheart with the skin as thick as that of an elephant and Stephen Waugh like nerves. You are cold and unprejudiced. Dont get perturbed by any comment.”Jab hathi chale bazar mein, kutta phoke hazar mein. ” [when a regal elephant moves about in a marketplace, a thousand street dogs woof ]”
Whatever strikes your fancy, just write it. We love your uncensored style. Dont change for heaven’s sake. Finally I feel that you are a very balanced person. I feel that you chose the wrong profession by studying EE. The computer scientist killed the brilliant barrister. If I had the powers, I would have nominated you as the next Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
@Shabbir: Please accept my heartfelt sympathies for the loss of one of your dearest ones. We would definitely like to hear from you many more things about the actual situation in Kashmir. The situation at ground zero. One particular issue on which I might want to know your opinion is that why the government of India is so antagonistic against holding a referendum in Kashmir to know the wish of the people. I rarely found an elaborate discussion on that in any Indian Newspaper. Neither did I ever find Indian government encouraging a debate on that. However, there are plenty in Pakistani Newspapers. What do you think about what the Kashmiris want? Want to be part of India or Pakistan or exist as a separate country.
@Harriet E. Miers: Not much other than invectives came out from your comments as you were overcome by rage, anger and vile, reviving the stereotypical image of paranoid tyrant who is thrashing around his legs and hands in a fit of violent rage after losing a battle of arguments. So this does not merit any response from me. But one thing I like to point out that you are pitifully wrong if you think that secularism implies “Religious right is badâ€. It is just the opposite. Secularism requires establishment of the rights of all religions equally and fairly. Peaceful coexistence of all diverse communities. Can’t resist a Bengali saying,
“Dibe aar nibe milabe milibe jaabe na fire
ei bharoter mohamanober sagoro teere”
Sounds familiar to you?
But the nickname you took is truly amusing. It makes me crack up when Miss. Miers nominates Greatbong for the post of chief justice of the Supreme Court. Supreme Court of which country, the US? A position which you yourself might have found quite silly a few days ago?
One last thing: with due respect to the articles by Greatbong posted on his weblogs, if he is considered the number 1 blogger in India, I have reasons to cast doubts on the quality of average Indian bloggers.
@Harriet E. Miers: Not much other than invectives came out from your comments as you were overcome by rage, anger and vile, reviving the stereotypical image of paranoid tyrant who is thrashing around his legs and hands in a fit of violent rage after losing a battle of arguments.
Ha ha ha…exactly….you know the exact quote for you. “I live in a bubble and consider myself king of infinite space”. 🙂 Anyway…you are free in your dreams and imaginations to win lots of battles and arguments (sic). You did an admirable job in stirring up a debate when there was none and the puerile arguments that you bought up deserved the kind of reply I gave you.
Anyway….I stick to it that Arnab is a great blogger. Wheather you believe it or not doesnt affect me. In fact what you had to say didnt make a difference to anyone. You got the perfect rebuttal , a strong kick up your ass when a muslim retorted and nullified your vacuous arguments. No one came up to support you. I merely threw my hat in just cuz you were denigrating Arnab, a secular person to the core….I admire his straighforwardness a lot. See, you can castigate me….but Arnab!!…son…i just wanna say to you that if you spit upwards, you are only spitting on yourself.
By the way, I am surprised that “you” actually know about the nominee for the Associate Chief Justice. Wah (pat on the back). Good job. I thought you only knew about how tough it was for Osama in the rugged mountains in Afghanistan, and how your ‘brothers’ and other people whom you sympathise with were carrying out another covert operation along the Line of Control.
Actually , I used Miers name to convey another subtle message- cronyism (why?).But as I said earlier, I dont wanna split hairs with a guy like you who has the intellect of a Tibet Yak.
One piece of advice- get to see some Muslim psychologist in your area …I believe that you would trust his diagnosis of your scum filled ( tch tch…what a jerk ) mind. Eid Mubarrak and Adaab. Now go and f!@# urself.
@akash:
Very little perturbs me. There are times when I might look askance at some bit of code which has not been indented well, some iffy puri bhaji at a restaurant, or a searching algorithm of O(n^3). Apart from that I am never moved much. That is how shallow I am. In fact, I nearly fell off my chair laughing at the Amitabh Bacchan + Catholic Paedophile priest thingy which the greatbong had written, and in this post, the pun on Ashfaq split me up. My heart is not stirred by greater happenings on this planet — namely the Larger Scheme. Small, pretty, funny, smutty things keep me going. So in review, I am shallow, and I am hardly perturbed. You akash, however mildly perturb me.
There are various reasons for my mild feeling of irritation.
Firstly, your ability to waffle along unendingly when you do not have a point to make, has stirred me. It is indeed a talent worth noting with a raised eyebrow, but not one to be envied. My honest suggestion would be that you would be a much more deeper, finer human being without the above mentioned gift. Waffling. Not very hot.
In my inadequate years on this planet, I have realized that the more difficult thing is not to find beauty but to have a capacity for beauty. The ideals you want every human being to have secularism, equality and the rest of the gobbledygook, are extermely beautiful things. These objects of beauty are strewn around us, all ready to seen and felt. All it needs is a capacity for that beauty. As I see it, it takes a lifetime to alone understand the beauty of such things, leave alone have an opinion on them. You my extermely knowledgeable friend, seem to have grasped all and are also in a position to pontificate, and that too, in very boring language. ( remember waffling ? ) Such pseudo intellectualisms go well in a crowded coffee house with like-minded shams, but is really not for public consumption. It can be seen through. Also, it tends to weary the souls of the merry gathering.
Your views on terrorists, also seems to stem from the above mentioned pseudo intellectualisms. From your rather well meaning (I am sure) but nonsensical posts I have ventured to divine that you have not lived or grown up in a terrorism effected part of the country. I have. Therefore I will profoundly apologise for breaking your romantic gun-toting-cuddly-toy theory about terrorists and then follow it up with a news flash — Sorry comrade, these guys are really meanies. They reduce happy smiling towns and villages to dark, brooding hell holes. They kill the places you love. Incidentally they kill people too, without any convincing reason. Actually, most of the times the reason is money and power. I am sorry not to agree with you trying to justify killing a father who probably had just popped out get some new clothes and crackers for his son.
akash, I think you really need rethink your views on life. Silently.
@greatbong:
Sorry to make a bunch of obvious observations but as I have already pointed out — I am perturbed.
@yourfan, Harriet Miers (:-)) and Bald Monkey, Thank you all 3 for understanding and being moved to comment.
@Shabbir: Thanks from the bottom of my heart…not just for commenting on this post but since I cannot thank your father personally for what he did for the country.
And a small suggestion: Please do get over the lethargy and start a blog of your own—your voice just HAS to be heard.
Here all my comments are only for the darpok attention grabber named Akash
1. In one of your comments you said “ —–Peaceful coexistence of all diverse communities. Can’t resist a Bengali saying,
“Dibe aar nibe milabe milibe jaabe na fire
ei bharoter mohamanober sagoro teere”
Is this a “Bengali saying� Since you claim yourself to be a famous bong, don’t you know that this is written by Rabindranath Tagore? Don’t you know that any quotation should be credited to the writer and should not be labelled just as a saying?
2. In my very first comment I mentioned specifically “ wrongful insinuation, insulting behavior or remarks make a passive person changeâ€. When someone or some political parties make recurring wrongful insinuations about any cast or any religion’s loyalty to India or anything for that matter – it is bound to affect most passive people. Out of these people only a few take recourse to “abet horrific crimes against the countryâ€. What is wrong in the word Muslimness? I am proud to be having Muslim-ness or Hindu-ness or Christian-ness. I will lose my passive nature if some one equates my —-im/du/an-ness with disloyalty to my own country. According to me; greatbong did not mean ““Acute consciousness of one’s Muslim Identity†abet horrific crimes.†When Muslim identity is equated to disloyalty then the sadness, dejection, disenchantment take place. My understanding and all other readers’ understanding (except you of course) is that greatbong meant that when anybody’s identity (in this topic it is Muslim identity) is wrongfully insinuated or wrongfully equated to disloyalty only then a few take recourse to horrific crime.
3. You wrote: “Doesn’t he sound like a war hawk? I would appreciate he —like a peace dove†regarding the article name “One down and a million to goâ€. I have already written on this and so has greatbong. Either you are too famous or too —— up to read it properly. How can anybody be a peace dove with regard to terrorists – except may be you.
4. I should give you one cent for at least acknowledging that you lack courage. But you asked me how it matters when “we are in an argumentative discussion?†It matters Mr. Famous Darpok because then we could check your credentials and would be able to decide for ourselves what convictions(if any) you have, who is paying you for all these garbage that you are writing. I abhor bringing in family members into this but since you mentioned your girlfriend by saying “When you say I am darpok, my girlfriend would perhaps interpret it as my aloofness from cheap publicity†– I shall pray your girlfriend should marry you and make your arrogance disappear but still manage to retain you as THE darpok of the century –namely being scared of her!!.
5. What amazes me most is that you being so famous you are asking Shabbir “ What do you think about what the Kashmiris want? Want to be part of India or Pakistan or exist as a separate countryâ€. I thought you know everything and that is why you are so famous. Let me give you my answer. I have traveled to Kashmir and met Kashmiri businessmen who told us in no uncertain terms that they are only bothered about their roti rojgari. They care about their businesses only. A vast majority of them know fully well that staying in India will augment their businesses because besides a huger market than Pakistan, India has much better infrastructural, financial facilities. They don’t necessarily want separate state as they also know that political parties will be pocketing whatever money they can lay their hands on and there won’t be any development (infrastructural, financial, market etc) worth the name and the majority of the people will be in square one.
6. Any way, I have given you –the famous darpok lots of my time only because I wanted to tell you that I fully support the view expressed in this particular blog by greatbong(although at times I have disagreed with him). And let me tell you that I have never met greatbong in person, I only know him thru his blog. He sure comes out to be a good human being who is fair and objective but sometime a bit emotional but not hurting any body’s emotions/feelings. He has a great sense of humour and most importantly has the greatness to laugh at himself. After you misrepresented greatbong’s article he still manages to come out with a humorous comment : “Finally if you believe you have caught me with my pants down (:-)))…then Akash what can I say…you have now seen why I like to call myself “great”
{That by the way was a joke…}â€
Akash you are pathetic – that is why greatbong has to explain that it is a joke lest you start to write garbage again.
@Shabbir: I am proud of your father. Every soldier is a special hero because for people like your father we are living a better life. I know soldier’s dedications and hardships because my father was also in the army – he is no more with us
@greatbong: There is nothing more to say except that how can you maintain this humor even after Akash the famous darpok’s garbage? Your “ Finally if you believe you have caught me with my pants down (:-)))…then Akash what can I say…you have now seen why I like to call myself “great”
{That by the way was a joke…}†is priceless.
One more thing: don’t give up topics on politics. Don’t give up your style and don’t compromise on choice of topics.
@bald_monkey: Let me tell you a story. I once had a friend who nourished a strong ambition of being a professional writer since his childhood days despite having no flairs at all for that. His parents were also so much as blind in love of their son that they never wanted to hurt his feelings by pointing out his inherent shortcomings to become a writer. So my friend spun web after web of dreams of becoming a famous writer with an international recognition. As you can already understand that finally he did not become a writer but ended up being an agent of an insurance company. However, because of the strong desire that he felt in the past to become a writer, he refused to give in. One fine morning he got up from bed, rushed to his computer, opened the Internet and created a blogger account…….
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You bet that your post reminded me of that incident.
@Harriet E. Miers: I’m glad that this time at least you wrote her name correctly. In the last paragraph again you spewed your chauvinistic communal feeling (I again repeat that the feeling has become a part of your mind so much that you are even unaware of that) in perfect harmony with your dogged support for the current article.
@Yourfan:
Don’t you know that any quotation should be credited to the writer and should not be labelled just as a saying?
Honestly, the time when I wrote the post it was not on my mind that this stanza was attributed to Tagore. Thanks for reminding me that. However, the name of the writer is less important than the work of the writer.
On your point 2
I am again obliged to quote the sentence that appeared in the original comment
it’s people like Modi and Thackeray who make Muslims even more acutely conscious of their Muslimness and thus abet horrific crimes against the country.
So the interpretation is that if someone accuses the Muslims wrongfully he makes the “Muslims acutely conscious of their Muslimnessâ€. Then how does a Muslim’s acute consciousness with his Muslim identity turn him against a country called India. No. What greatbong wanted to say is that Modi and Thackeray tried to label the Muslims as
non-Indians and thus abet horrific crimes against India. He has unknowingly replaced the word “Non-Indianness†with “Muslimnessâ€, perhaps because it’s been injected in his mind slowly over a long time like many other Hindu fundamentalists that Muslims are not Indians. At a very careless moment, his secular mask has fallen off in that specific sentence.
Well again, according to your interpretation, if, for the time being we assume that it is true, how justified it is to inflict the cruelest of death on the terrorists who have been turned so by other worse criminals
How can anybody be a peace dove with regard to terrorists – … . Because we are, after all looking for peace to settle down in the country. Ain’t we? However, the current article goes in the opposite direction.
On your Point 4
Again abuses, rants and jumping up and down of a mad man. You would better not be more curious on others’ private lives. However, we thank you for wishing us well.
On your Point 5
Thanks for the first hand information. If such is the case, then the Indian Government’s attitude of shying away from holding referendum on the issue of accession in Kashmir sounds puzzling.
On your Point 6
Of course, it’s entirely your business to select whom you should like and whom you won’t. But if you do that in a very loud, unrefined and cheap manner it seems that you are not sincere.
@all: Try to discriminate between humor and buffoonery. If someone rolls on the floor laughing after hearing the pun “Ashfaq†then there is no doubt that he encountered a pun for the first time in life.
@akash:
Again you have displayed what I had rather pointedly described as waffling. You have, (rather garrulously) in your vapid style, waffled on about some childhood chum of yours, but alas, for the umpteenth time, have failed to make any point or repartee whatsover. I reiterate, this time with a stricken brow and concern in my eyes — Waffling. Not very hot.
I however must commend you on your rather incisive observations. You have described my life to a tee. I am indeed very much like the friend you are talking about. Also, this blogger thing is not working at all. I hardly feel inspired to update my blog regularly, and very few feel inspired to read it. Since my existential tragedy is sadly now out in the open, I would like to ensure you that this insurance business is not all that bad. Although not infested with doubloons, the officious pseudo intellectuals are completely absent and people have a healthy (sic) appreciation for smutty puns. We are thankfully, a bunch of buffoons around here.
In fact, I think that I am the very same person you are alluding to. I too had a friend once and now, we have parted ways.
Whereas I could not make it in literary circles due to my inherently dreadful writing and was sadly driven into the humdrum of the insurance business, my friend, being a humdinger of a brain, moved on to Great Things. There is whisper going around among the pseudo intellects that he might even rope in a Nobel prize next year. For the unacquainted, the Nobel prize is very much akin the Emmys for the Extremely Enlightened. ( You will notice that my dubious gift for horrible alliterations like the above was also one of the reasons for my becoming an ‘insurance agent’.)
This friend of mine also had very curious habits. He would read literature of all sorts not to imbibe or relish, but so that he could drop names in discussions and forums. He would often pick up arguments and get into debates not because there was a point to be made or there was something offensive placed there, but simply because it was imperative for him to convince all and sundry that he was a tad more emancipated than the rest. I still have very fond memories of how we used to run helter-skelter everytime he would start unleashing those half-baked, borrowed opinions of his. They would come rather suddenly and for no apparent reason. To add insult to injury, my wise friend also had delusions of grandeur that what he was saying was actually wholesome and would try and gain some mileage out of it.
We have sadly parted ways now. The main reason being that he did not have a healthy respect for people in the ‘insurance agent’ line and such similar unintellectual professions. That again was curious, because dignity of labour and equality of all men were two of the many many causes he wore on his sleeve. I would tend to think that those too, were subjects he used to talk about without really appreciating or understanding.
Dear Akash,
Your pseudonym, meaning ‘sky’ seems to symbolise the content of your posts – so conspicous by their absence.
Why are you continuing with this ranting when you know you are getting buggered with every senseless word you spew out ?
It’s not anti Muslim to point out that the vast majority of terrorists in India and the world are Muslims. What’s wrong with you man ?
Greatbong is a very good writer with a sense of humor and strength of character that shows through his posts, which lights up many a dull day for me.
Kindly post comments only when there is a real arguement based on logic brewing in your mind. Don’t use a blog to show your pseudo secularism.
@Akash:Your comments about Harriet Miers: You have the audacity to correct somebody’s spelling mistakes but you justify not mentioning Tagore’s name while quoting his poem be saying –“when I wrote the post it was not on my mind that this stanza was attributed to Tagoreâ€. How can Tagore’s name slip your mind while quoting him – you being a “Famous Intellectual(sic) Bengali†who needs anonymity for his survival? Next thing you will tell us that you forgot the alphabets or your own name for the time being (of course that might happen if you are given a nice thrashing –remember the Bengali saying of naam bhulie deoya – I am mentioning this since you are such a fan of “Bengali sayingâ€!!!). And you don’t have the decency to accept that your quotation without credit was flat out wrong and you sermonize by saying “However, the name of the writer is less important than the work of the writerâ€.
You wrote the following to my point no 2: “He (Arnab) has unknowingly replaced the word “Non-Indianness†with “Muslimnessâ€, perhaps because it’s been injected in his mind slowly over a long time like many other Hindu fundamentalists that Muslims are not Indians. At a very careless moment, his secular mask has fallen off in that specific sentence.†Since you have the right to insinuate(as you don’t know him or his background but come to a solid conclusion), I also have the right to insinuate about your motives. Could not mentioning Tagore’s name be plagiarism? May be I should not be asking that question – I should be stating that it is plagiarism. I don’t like to insinuate but I am forced to think that way – you see how you change a passive person by wrongful insinuation and behavior?
Few instances of your insinuations (I won’t quote them all – just few examples):
a)You wrote for Harriet E. Miers: “(I again repeat that the feeling has become a part of your mind so much that you are even unaware of that)â€. How do you know that it has become a part of his mind and how do you know that he is unaware of it? You may disagree a point but it is completely different to insinuate (unless of course you are a Famous Bengali psychiatrist – but even for that profession one needs countless sittings before making any statement depending on guess work).
b) You wrote for @bald_monkey: “–His parents were also so much as blind in love of their son that they never wanted to hurt his feelings by pointing out his inherent shortcomings to become a writerâ€. Again insinuation!! – did the parents tell you that?
Now, on my point 2: – “Well again, according to your interpretation, if, for the time being we assume that it is true, how justified it is to inflict the cruelest of death on the terrorists who have been turned so by other worse criminalsâ€. I have all along said that victimization of a class of people just because some of their own men have wronged others is not right in any way for the simple reason that they (whole class of people) are totally innocent. The sad part in life is that the victims of injustice never or seldom can get back at the marauder – they get back at innocent people. I am stressing the point of killing innocent people. If somebody kills innocent people (whatever sufferings they have gone through) they should be given the cruelest form of death because that is what they deserve.
On my point 3: Try telling people who lost their loved ones to be peace doves relating to TERRORISTS!! Would you be one if you lost one of your closest one to terrorism? I am not against peace initiative but for that there should be absolute stoppage of terrorism.
On my point 4: “You would better not be more curious on others’ private lives†I did not bring up your girlfriend’s reactions – YOU DID IT FIRST – REMEMBER? So at the first place if you do, then be prepared to face my comments on that topic. You have the right to express your opinion but when it comes to other people’s comment on you it becomes “Again abuses, rants and jumping up and down of a mad man.†You sure are a pathetic creature(I won’t even call you a person). By the way how do you know me to be a man? I could be a man or a woman. Is it your insinuation power working over time? Or are you a Chauvinist “because it’s been injected in his (your) mind slowly over a long timeâ€(here I am using your comment about Greatbong for paying you back in your own coin) that only intellectually(sic) famous male can take you up? Haven’t you ever heard of using the word “person†so that it is not gender specific (I am mentioning this since you take great pleasure to correct somebody’s spelling mistake and opportunely plagiaries). Anyway a word of advice from lesser soul: use non gender specific words.
On my point 5: There is a huge debate on this very complicated issue. There are different perspectives, different interest groups involved. Any single comment on this issue will be unfair.
On my point 6: “Of course, it’s entirely your business to select whom you should like and whom you won’t. But if you do that in a very loud, unrefined and cheap manner it seems that you are not sincere.†I won’t even dignify you by replying anything about my sincerity. By the way who gave you the right to dictate the standard of cheap or suave, refined or unrefined manner, humor or buffoonery? I guess it must be the same authority that gave you the right to insinuate and plagiaries.
Oh dear. People have posted really long comments on this thread, and while I would like to agree/disagree with them on a poin-by-point basis, I am unable to do in the interests of time. Akash, I would just like to say, that no matter what other folks here say, your post made perfect sense to me. Please, don’t let the diatribes above get to you. The ideas you propound do take some time to sink in, especially in the hate seeped environment which prevails in India. Please keep up the good work.
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@bald_monkey: I support equal rights for all (I hope that’s what you meant by “equality of all”). I am also a champion of the observation of International Labor Day which every year reminds us of the dignity of labor. If you think that the occupation of an insurance agent or that of a writer is less dignified than the other then it is because of your narrow perception on that matter. I only mentioned those two occupations to show the difference between them in terms of required skills and flairs.
@all: I think I have talked enough to make my views clear. I have no intention to prejudice the importance by repeating it once more. In short, let me emphasize that I strongly object to the incendiary language and views expressed in this post, in particular, the author’s fascist outlook on the efforts to help the Pakistanis and Kashmiris in the wake of this devastating earthquake, his demand for a brutal murder for a convict who has already been sentenced to death and that too in a shamelessly uncivilized way, his ridiculing someone’s well intention to help others by donating blood, and more importantly for attempting to motivate others to think the same inhuman way with inflammatory words.
For propagating brutal, barbaric and inhuman views on many sensitive issues which require patience, calmness, endurance, particularly from the educated class of a country to maintain peace in there, the writing, I think, is a shame to a civilized society.
@sarah: I know that it will take time for my views to be accepted by all. The only reason for which I protested so long is that, I believe each and every word of what I said, and also I thought that it is my responsibility to let others know that there is different view also to judge things. I don’t mind if my views are rejected after being weighed by all. But it would be a tragedy if this is rejected just becuase people are not aware of that. Thanks.
Oppose Donating blood? Yeh celebrity Akash ko kahan se mila yaar? Or is this the result of Akash’s last night drug binge?
Paraphrasing Akash:
For propagating sheer idiocy and wanting to bear-hug terrorists and for pretending to be famous when all he is a frustrated, jealous loser I think it is a shame shame for fictitious Akash and his even more fictitious girl friend [ remember again you brought her into this]…who let me make an assumption is nothing but his left hand
@akash:
It might have not dawned upon you as yet, but truths, (however sad they are) must be told. So, here it is. A very negligible fraction of humanity really is waiting to know as to what you do on labour day or other assorted occasions. I sadly also, do not belong to that negligible fraction. I am also sure that the world is not interested to know as to what I do on my vacations or occasions too, and I do not burden them with the same.
Every personal conviction in life I think does not require a soapbox. You however have very profoundly illustrated as what I had referred to as drop names in discussions and forums in my previous comment.
Whereas my pen lacks flair (as I am painfully aware of) yours is dull, pretentious and as you have just proved, predictable.
Hey Akash,
People finding out your aptitude for plagiarism, insinuations, name dropping too hot for you to handle? Hence no counter points? So only you have the right to “propagate†“barbaric and inhuman views†about somebody who used to be your friend? And you are talking about ‘educated class’ and ‘civilized society’? Aren’t you a bit worried that your façade of anonymity is wearing thin?
ashfaqing, as u tastelessly put it in your highly jingoistic post, in its implied sense, be a very nice thing done properly. it is wrongly abused in such expressions.
Soumik, I would not know if it is “a nice thing if done properly” having not been at the receiving end of one, unlike perhaps you.
I read your post, was agitated enough to feel like saying something. Not by the post, which was much appreciated. The comments made me think. And well, have credited your post but if I should have erred or misquoted you do let me know will you.
Cheers, big chief of all bongs 😀
p.s : have also updated link list and added you 🙂
@akash
referendum in kashmir is not held because there was another part to referendum agreement…it said that referendum in kashmir will be held ONLY AFTER PAKISTAN REMOVES ALL ITS TROOPS FROM KASHMIR AND OTHER DISPUTED TERRITORIES TO ITS NORTH (emphasis is mine…actual statement is different but meaning is same)…since first part of agreement was followed hence second part becomes non-applicable…if in doubt pl. visit India office library at London for finding out more about ceasefire agreement of 1948.Even a shrewd politician like late Sheikh Abdullah conceded this and forgot all about referendum in later part of his career. I cannot guess why our foriegn service mandarins go hammer and tongs after Pakistan on this.
Much as I appreciate your concern for jingoism on display by some posts, it is difficult to support your views on so-called peace by forgetting everything that we had to suffer as a nation by Pakistan’s shenanigans.
@greatbong and others
Fighting fire with fire doesnot involve thinking and behaving like those terrorists one wants to punish. At best, they are the foot soldiers. What stops us from striking at the roots i.e. those madarsas where their mind controllers are hiding safely with their grandeurs of illusion about being great warriors and pious muslims? This does not mean we also start believing in those very medieval philosophies terrorists are believing in.
But not agreeing to somebody’s views does not mean hurling invectives at the person. This is for all the contributors.
Greatbong, yours is an excellent blog…keep it up…though I have reservations about it being no.1.
This is rather amazing to see so many people, the intelligent and rational minded people, spew communalism. It is true that jihadis snuff out the light from peoples’ life but as a secular country we need to be more resilient. I am by no means a pundit on secularism…. for more please read Argumentative Indian by Amartya Sen. Could ever killing and paying back coin to coin resolve any of the issues? I don’t think so. If by killing jihadis we could stop terrorism then we would have done that long time back. Great bong: life is not that simple black and white. All conflict has greater shades of grey. I am not sure whether you have a good handle of where it all started.
Great Bong: your site is visited by many so it will be helpful if you could take some responsibility of implicitly influencing peoples’ mind. That is why probably writing and sharing one’s thoughts is so powerful. There is nothing wrong in arguing and sharing one’s ideas but if such ideas, however innocuous, have some bigger ramifications then it is worth considering as to how to presenting it.
I am confident that there are other ways (better ways) to fight terrorism; not as you propose great bong and not all terrorists are Muslims. There are people in Pakistan too who want peace in the border. It is a bigger political game that our eyes miss.
Shabbir: it is absolutely legitimate to be emotional about terrorism. May God give you all the strength to overcome such a deep sense of loss. I only hope that such an episode will not turn you into a jingoist.
Akash: Thanks for riding against the current. it’s tough. I sense there is some underlying current between you and great bong and you are the classic case of scapegoat.
So if it is not really a tug of words between Akash and Arnab and it is really true argument about terrorism I would ask great bong to sincerely think whether all he says is only just for provocation. If Y, we are already quite provoked; don’t need it as much.
May good sense prevail. Amen!
Been reading this post for last 2 hours and couldnt stop myself from replying. This is the first time where the replies have intruiged me more then then post.
@Greatbong: Awesome! “ashfaq” was one of the best puns i have heard till now.
@Akash & @rapita: I think you are both the same person just trying to save each others ass. You behave no better then the pseudo-secular leftist (it has been mentioned many times but then they are called leftist because they are not right) of our country who send their sons and daughter for higher studies in US but then march against George Bush when he comes to India and does something good i.e. support India in its nuclear cause which will help making India self reliant in generating electricity. Akash says:
“by also taking into account the brutality of Indian Army on the Kashmiris since 1989”
Dude, are you seriously Indian or a Pakistani guy? As it is I hate Left parties, the above statement made my blood boil. You are first Indian who is actually saying that our Army is wrong/corrupt or bad. Indian Army is the last bastion which I feel is still away from corruption (even though the latest casket case might say otherwise).
As somebody said, it is due to this medieval age marxian theory, that the kashmir issue is still not solved. If it had not been due to Ganghi and Nehru, the complete Kashmir would have been India’s and it would have been the next Switzerland with respect to tourism and the people of Kashmir would have been millionaire multiple times over and they would been growing more almonds instead of Hashish.
I am not a great writer and thus cant come out with words to express my disgust to you views. Maybe being a computer science student, I cannot just blabber and I require everything to be in a logical way. But your mind and ideas range from absurdity to even more absurdity.
What can I say about a scum like Akash.But I would like to thank him for not being in India.He doesnt deserve to be here.I do agree with Ritesh that he cant be anyone but a leftist whose only remaining ideology is to do majority bashing and like the Musilm’s ass.
No I am not anti muslim.But I am anti akash and the likes.He went like” its because of the attrocities of the Indian Army in kashmir that bred LET like outfits”.Well, the I guess we should have a similar outfit who should go and bomb the mosques and kill muslims and avenge the death of all the Kashmiri pundits, the victims of Bombay Blasts, The victims of Delhi blasts blah blah. Guys like akash and the leftys belong to nowhere.They are a cancer for the society.They oppose US coz US did something in the middleast.But they ignore the fact that the economic boom we r having in India, US and the west are the prime catalysts.Of course, why should guys like that scum think about our nation’s prosperity.
Akash I have a suggestion for u. Why dont u join LET or an outfit like that.I am sure they will be more than happy to have u onboard.
And one more thing, I think u shouldnt flaunt ur prowess in english.It suits u if u do that in urdu or arabic.
PS: To my muslim brothers(the ones who consider India as their motherland), I bear no hatred against you people.No offence folks.Keep loving india and indians will love u.
This reminds me of the 4 hr debate we had in office about ‘Farmers get more sympathy than any other failed businessmen’.
Akash, be man enough and accept that you were mistaken in reading the majority sentiment. You remind me of NHRC activists who always protest mistakes by army/police as atrocities while have nothing to say against terrorists.
And buddy, terrorism is not only a problem in India, its in the whole world. What would you say about consulates being burnt in lebanon etc. ? There were no atrocities there by army. Its all the game of power being played by a few who do not follow any religion and have no loyalty to any nation.
Greatbong, I love your writing style, you say it like it is. ( like Dr.Phil, Ellen Degeneres, donald trump)
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